M-koh, âsu-sitâ bo it-teng si kan-tan to e-tang khoaN--tioh..e. U-e hong tong cho âsu-sitâ khoaN-thai..e, ki-sit si âkai-soehâ. > Gi-gian e su-sit ma kang-khoan. Tioh. Sou-i lan ai chiaN seji, mthang ka "kaisoeh" asi "chutiuN" tongcho "susit" lai khoaN. Tekpiat si chitma chiaN che chheh long u chit chiong bunte (simchi si chhongou e soatbeng). Chitma Taigi e giankiu tekpiat suiau: 1. Khah khohak e giankiu hongsek. (kiatlun e khah khekkoan, khah huhap susit) 2. Khah jinchin cho giankiu e gigian hakchia. Kiatgak
----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; 'Lim Chun-iok' Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:25 AM Subject: RE: khiuNkhau tui Taigi e enghiong (Re: jipsiaN, (21~29 (Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?))))
Kiat-gak, Li-e thau-khak khak-sit chheng-chho. Li kong..e goa iu-goan chan-seng, ma e7 tiau-cheng ka-ti e pou-hun siuN hoat chhi khoaN-mai. M-koh, âsu-sitâ bo it-teng si kan-tan to e-tang khoaN--tioh..e. U-e hong tong cho âsu-sitâ khoaN-thai..e, ki-sit si âkai-soehâ. Gi-gian e su-sit ma kang-khoan. Lou-lat. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:27 AM
To: levin; 'Lim Chun-iok'
Cc: 'Tai-gu-bang'
Subject: khiuNkhau tui Taigi e enghiong (Re: jipsiaN, (21~29 (Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?)))) Levin hiaN, Loulat. Li kong--e chia--e (chhiuN "chengbit", …) goa etang likai, mkoh goa kojin bo itteng chanseng. Jinlui tui gigian kap tisek e liaukai iau chiaN iuhan, goa khah koansim--e si (1) anchoaN chhuisak Taigi (2) kong--e mihkiaN simsi u huhap (gigian) susit kap logic. Goa e kiongtiau piantiau e bunte si inui hiah e bunte tosi chutiuN sia piantiau e lang ai khi bintui--e. (Mthang chhiuN Thongiong kanna 1 e mia ho thiaN nia.) > Li kong..e goa ta-khai liau-kai, ma chan-seng. Ti chia kong--e si(jipsiaN e) gigian susit nia, kanna tioh kap mtioh. Mtioh tiohai kai--koelai. ChiaN che chheh eng khah kanhoa e hongsek lai ka--lang, anni chiaN ho; mkoh kanhoa e kiatko na mtioh--khi to baichai--a. > …u chit8-kang long e7 tui lan LMJ e siat-ke u pang-chan. (Hiantai e) Taioanoe tngleh hengseng, chichio u 2 pouhun siu khiuNkhau e enghiong: 1. Choaniu miasu: Temia, langmia, … chiau in punchiaN e khiuNkhau lai liam.ChhiuN Taipak e "Kengbe", … 2. Tekpiat e konghoat: Kanna bou 1 e tekhu chiah u e konghoat, kipunsiong taike long e chiauin punchiaN e konghoat eng. ChhiuN "cho sang2-khuiN3", "koe-bong", … ChhiaNchhamkho. Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; 'Lim Chun-iok' Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:53 AM Subject: RE: jipsiaN, (21~29 (Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?))) Kiat-gak hiaN, Li chit-tiuN phoe goa khoaN lau-kau..a. Li kong..e goa ta-khai liau-kai, ma chan-seng. (Goa-e hoat-im ma kang-khoan te-4-siaN kah te-8-siaN e pun-tiau chiaN phaiN hun-piat. Goa long ai kho3 pian-tiau lai hun-piat. Sou-i chiok him-sian Siau ls bat chiok che khiuN-khau. Chit-chiong bat, m-si kan-na âgoan-chek-siongâ e bat, si tai-pou-hun e âwordsâ long chai-iaN bo-kang khiuN-khau e hoat-im. ChiaN him-sian.) M-koh goa iau si ng-bang toh chit8-kang tng-bin chheng-kau. An-ne chiah e7 khah-chheng-chho. Su-sia bun-ji iong pun-tiau, mai iong pian-tiau, lan na-chhiuN cha to siuN-hoat kang-khoan..a. Lan kong e chiah-e pun-tiau, tong-jian si kong in-e tiau-lui7, m-si sit-che hoat-im e âvalueâ. An-ne, lan bun-ji chiah u hoat-tou thong-it. Goa siuN, lan long siong-sin/ chai-iaN, m-bian ti bun-ji bin-teng siat-ke hun-piat su5-lui7 (grammatical categories, chhin-chhiuN noun, verbâÓ͘)e cho3-hoat4, ma m-bian koh siuN-khang siuN-phang ka7 thiN-te ban7-but8 hun-lui7 e siuN-hoat siat-ke ti bun-ji lai-te, ma m-bian iong poaN-e Han-ji, kan-na piau-im e LMJ pun-sin to chiaN kau3..a, chap-chiok cheng-bit..a. M-koh, goa ku-tng i-lai long iau leh gong7 siuN7: lan Tai-gi hong-hu e khiuN-khau chha-piat, lan hok-chap e siaN-tiau, u chit8-kang long e7 tui lan LMJ e siat-ke u pang-chan. Lan tui lan Tai-gi e âphonologyâ (kah âgrammarâ e ki-thaN hong-bin) lu liau-kai, lan to lu e-tang cheng3-sit8, kan-na piau-im e LMJ pun-sin to chiaN-kang u kau cheng-bit..a, ma si siong hap8-li2 e siat-ke. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:58 AM
To: ; 'Lim Chun-iok'
Cc: 'Tai-gu-bang'
Subject: Re: jipsiaN, (21~29 (Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?))) > M-koh Kiat-gak hiaN kong..e hiah-e âkoan/tiong/ke jip-siaNâ khiong-kiaN chiaN-kang khan-siap tioh âkhiuN-khauâ e bun-te. (1) Tioh. Tak souchai siaNtiau e koanke siokhoa u chhut-jip.Khaksit u "khiuNkhau" e chhapiat. Kong "koan, tiong, ke" si 1 chiong ka jipsiaN hun cho 3 chiong luiheng lai hunsek e bousek nia. (Khah kantan, koh etang ka kipun e siaNtiau pianhoa kong chhengchho.) (2) Chiu puntiau lai kong, gun hia "te 4 siaN"kap "te 8 siaN" to bo hun. (Mkoh piantiau liauau to u "koan, ke jipsiaN" chhuthian. Ma tioh 3 chiong luiheng lai soatbeng chiah u kau.) (3) Chiu piantiau lai kong,"koan jipsiaN" ("te 4 siaN" piantiau) kap "ke jipsiaN" ("te 8 siaN" piantiau) kana tak souchai long u khupiat. ( <-- ai koh kiucheng. ) Chit chiong chengheng chochiaN chiaN che bunte, siong kipun--e: (4) Chitkoa chheh sia "te 8 siaN" --(piantiau)--> "te 4 siaN". Tui haksipchia chochiaN hapsip e khunjiau. ("Te 8 siaN" koh anchoaN phahpiaN pian ma be piN "te 4 siaN".) (5) ChutiuN sia piantiau e lang tiohai sia (suboeliu) puntiau e "tiong, koan" jipsiaN kap piantiau e "koan, ke" jipsiaN, soah bo huho thang sia. (Thongsiong ka "tiong, ke" jipsiaN sia cho kangkhoan, anni bunte kohkhah toatiau: (a) kap (4) siokang e haksip khunjiau; (b) huho lam chohoe chochiaN siaNtiau jinti e khunjiau.) Bong chhamkho. Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; 'Lim Chun-iok' Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 11:19 PM Subject: RE: jipsiaN, 21~29 (Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?)) Goa koh khah-ban hoe-phoe..a. Kiat-gak hiaN kong..e, goa iu-goan chan-seng. M-koh Kiat-gak hiaN kong..e hiah-e âkoan/tiong/ke jip-siaNâ khiong-kiaN chiaN-kang khan-siap tioh âkhiuN-khauâ e bun-te. (Kang-khoan si te-x-siaN, i-e pun-tiau kah pian-tiau e sit-che hoat-im ti bo kang-khoan khiuN-khau u kho-leng bo kang-khoan.) Goa-e kong-hoat khah-kan-tan: âSit4-jit8â to si piau pun-tiau, ti Tai-oan it-poaN e khiuN-khau pian-tiau thiaN--khi-lai na-chhin-chhiuN [sit8-jit8]--leh. ChhiaN chham-kho. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 12:12 PM
To: Lim Chun-iok; levin
Cc: Tai-gu-bang
Subject: jipsiaN, 21~29 (Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?)) > Goa liau-kai "Sit8-jit8"(pun-tiau) e "pian-tiau" thak-im chiu-si "sit-jit8". An-nee liau-kai m-chai u cheng-khak bo? Etang kong m tioh. "Koan jipsiaN" (te 8 siaN) piantiau si piNchiaN "ke jipsiaN" (oa te 3 siaN), bo toli kong i piNchiaN "tiong jipsiaN" (te 4 siaN). "Tiong jipsiaN" kap "ke jipsiaN" e khupiat chiaN benghian, ma kana bo simmih souchai ka chit 2 e im liam cho siokang. > ChhiaN mng lin tui 廿ï¼"jiap8"/jih8/ji7" e 3-chiong thak-im khoaN-hoat? Lahjih hiaN kap SikanhiaN u chiaN ho e soatbeng. Goa koh pouchhiong chitkoa khoaNhoat: (1) Siong ho si khoaN etang tiaucha 21~29 e liamhoat, hunsek khoaN u jipsiaN e senghun--bo. (Suibong piantiau liauau e jipsiaN thiaN bo siaN u, mkoh na khah benghian--e iausi thiaN e chhut--lai; lenggoa eng waveform lai hunsek bo tiaNtioh e khah ho phoaNtoan.(?) ) (2) "廿" chit e Hanji kana bo "ji7" e im; mkoh kana u "jip8" e im. (3) "jih8" e im hoanse si ui "jip8" lai--e. (ChhiuN "tap-eng3" e liam cho "tah-eng3".) (4) Goa boai chhai ("廿" chit e) Hanji anchoaN thak, goa khah koansim 2? (20~29) chit e khailiam ti Taigi laite anchoaN liam, anchoaN piausi, … Bong chhamkho. Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: Lim Chun-iok ; Kiatgak A/Lau Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 7:48 PM Subject: RE: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?) Lipbun hiaN, Kiatgak hiaN, peng-an Chin to-sia lin 2-ui hou goa hiah chheng-cho e kai-soeh. Goa hoan-ek TJTST u gi-bun e sou-chai long u cho ki-ho thang hou Li KhinhoaN k.s. teng i-au pian-chip e si chham-kho. Goa tong-i lin e kong-hoat. Tan bun-ji ai piau-chun hoa sou-i POJ chiah kiong-tiau piau "Pun-tiau". Goa liau-kai "Sit8-jit8"(pun-tiau) e "pian-tiau" thak-im chiu-si "sit-jit8". An-ne e liau-kai m-chai u cheng-khak bo? ChhiaN mng lin tui 廿ï¼"jiap8"/jih8/ji7" e 3-chiong thak-im khoaN-hoat? Chin loulat Chuniok ** _levin _**wrote:

Chun-iok hiaN, Kiat-gak kong..e goa long chan-seng. Chang-hng goa tng khi chhu u peng koe TJTST, hoat-kian: 1) TJTST iong âèâ sia âsit4â kah âsit8â, m-koh kan-na u âsit4-jit8, sit4-geh8â, bo âsit8-jit8, sit8-geh8â. 2) TJTST ma iong âåâ sia âgou7â kah ângou2â, na-chhiuN ma bo ângou2-si5â, kan-na u âgou7-si5â (iah si kong ângou-siâ si bun-gian-im; phaiN-se, chit-chun koh ki3 be7 chheng-chho..a). Leng-goa, Douglas lai-te ma si iong âsit4-geh8, etc.â, kong âsit8-geh8, etc.â han2-tit4 thiaN lang kong2 (rare). Chiau3 goa2 khoaN, âsit4-geh8, etc.â chiah si Ho-lo-oe e kong-hoat, âsit8-geh8, etc.â si bat Han-ji e lang iong âbun-gian-imâ khi thak he âji7â, thak8 he bo-lang kong e oe-im. M-koh, tong-jian,tiaN-tiaN chham chit8-toa-tui âHan3-bun5â e hi3-bun5 thiaN ku2, chit-khoan oe ma e7 chhap jip-lai lan-e gi-gian, iah si eng-hiong tioh lan-e gi-gian. Koh teng-hok chit-pian Kiat-gak hiaN e oe: Gi-gian chiah si chu-the. Bun-ji si iong lai ki-lok / su-sia gi-gian..e. Chioh Han-ji lai sia lan-e gi-gian, tiaN-tiaN e7 chhut bun-te. Na koh hoan-thau tian-to iong Han-ji e âthok-imâ iah si sim-mih âcheng-khakâ e hoat-im lai âcorrectâ lan khau-thau e oe-gi, he to thiN-te tian-to peng2..a. Beh hou Han-ji mai koh an-ne kiau-chha, siong ho to si lan chin-liongmai khi iong Han-ji. ChhiaN chham-kho. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:08 AM
To: Lim Chun-iok
Cc: Tai-gu-bang
Subject: Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?) Chuniok hiaN pengan, Kojin ikian: 1. Gigian si chuthe, mai tiantothau siuN, eng bunji (tekpiat si Hanji) cho chu. 2. Hanji choattuie u chenggi. KhoaN lin si beh chiau TJTST punsin e Hanji eng (khah kantan), asi beh cho siukai (soantek e goanchek khah oh teng). 3. TJTST, Kamjitian, HOTSYS e chuliau long chiaN ho, mkoh ma long u chitkoa bunte. Siong ho si ka u gibun e su chengli--chhutlai, khi sitte tiaucha. (chunkong na iau u lang ehiau kong) Lan eng "sit-jit8" cho le: a. Chit e su tosianni kong--e. (Goa u koh khi mng koe khah sun e Taigilang.) b. I e Hanji beh anchoaN sia? Bo itteng si "thang chiah" chit ji, ma u lang kong si "sit-le" e "sit". c. Kamjitian "sit8" e kesoeh laite u kong tioh "sit-geh8", "sit-jit8" long si eng te 4 siaN. (Suibong i bo ka "thang chiah" chu te 4 siaN.) Li etang ka tu tioh e bunte theh chhulai tholun tosi chiaN ho e khaisi, na taike etang u kiongsek to kohkhah ho. Bong chhamkho. Lenggoa, chitma BP ma u khah chekkek leh sukho "subingi" e bunte. ChhiaN chhamkho BP e "pianchip chhiuki". Loulat. Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: Lim Chun-iok Cc: [Tai-gu-bang](https://web.archive.org/web/20050519225428/mailto: "") Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:38 PM Subject: Re: TJTST e sit, gou, hou (Re: RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im?) Kiatgak hiaN, To-sia li e hoe-eng kai-soeh. Hoan-ek TJTST u 1-noa si Tai-gi-Han-ji. Che hou goa chin khun-jiau. Eng Hotsys e Han-ji kap Kam-ji-tian u sio-khoa chhut-jip. Tan 1) è ti Hotsys kap Kam-ji-tianlong si "sit8". "sit8-jit8" pian-tiau thak "sit-jit8". Sou-i goa siuN kong TJTST si-m-si ti chit-e sou-chai piau pian-tiau thak-im a m-si piau pun-tiau. 2) åæ Kam-ji-tian piau "gou7-si5" tan Hotsys phah "gou7" bo å. 3) Kam-ji-tian si "Kou7(æ hou7)-chhui-kong", tan Hotsys phah "kou7" bo Han-ji. I-siong chia-e khun-jiau chin che. M-chai an-choaN chhu-li khah ho. ChhiaN sian-poe chi-kau. Loulat Chuniok ** _"" _**wrote:

Chuniok hiaN pengan, (1) sit-jit8: ItpoaN long si anni kong. Tianto Hanji bunte khah toa. (2) gou7-si5: Kana bo mtioh. (3) kou7 chhui3kong2: Kana ma bo mtioh. Hanji e bunte koh lai--a. Li ki e chit 3 e le engkai long si sia puntiau, msi sia piantiau. Na chiau gigianpunsin lai khoaN (kiliok siaNim), long bo bunte chiah tioh; na kholu tuieng e Hanji, khiongkiaN to e liahchun hoatim bo tuitang--khi. Bong chhamkho. Kiatgak

-----Original Message ----- From: Lim Chun-iok Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:50 AM Subject: Fwd:RE: [TGB] 21 ~ 29 e "2" thak-im? Note: forwarded message attached.

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