Tai-ke CTT! An-ne lan koh-khah ai po-sioh chit-e ho ki-hoe. Hi-bang ti lan chit-te7lang ka TGB e kho-hak ki-chhou sia/kong chheng-chho. Au-pai e lang chiu chiok kan-tan thang gian-kiu. M-bian chhiunn lan an-ne chiok bu kau chiok sin-khou! Kam-sia tai-ke. Babuza

----- Original Message ----- From: keith cheng ; [](https://web.archive.org/web/20060104220930/mailto: "") Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] phone vs phoneme (kiam chhuli goalaigi e bunte)
Tosia HoaN hiaN e soatbeng. Taigibun e giankiu koekhi 1-lang siuN chit-tho, 1-lang bu2 chit-tho, long bo toe-tioh sekai siong tui gigian giankiu e khapou. Lan chitma u TeN Liong-ui ks, KhinhoaN hiaN, Hakkhiam hiaN, UibunhiaN kap kitha cheche gigianhak choanka, eng khohak-tek e honghoat kap thaitou lai chhiau5-chhek Taigibun e gigian kiu. Si lan Taioanlang e hokkhi--lah. Loulat Sichong

----- Original Message ----- From: Li khinhoann ; , hou Taigikoh ke chit-e im-chat-hoa e chu-im "l"? > (c)Jit-pun e "donburi"(gu5-bah-png7); Han-ji sia-cho "çäº(cheN2 laibin koh ke chit-tiam2)". Beh eng POJ chhu-li chit-e su, kam beh ke "d" chit-e lo5-siaN? a-si tit-chiap eng "t" chiu ho2? > >Chheng-kau. > >sichong > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Li khinhoann > To: ; ; ; ; ; > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: gigian pikau, goalaigi (Re: imchathoa (Re:"ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; mavs. baN)))) > > > > > > > > > > Sit-le, goa e phonemic pheng m-tioh khi. > > Sun-soa, ke ki chit e le. Pi-ju kong, Eng-gi lai-te e glottal stop (lan ti Tai-gi jip-siaN e h) m-si phonemic, sou-i sui-jiankong Eng-gi e lang ki-sit kong-oe u glottal stop (e.g., in teh kong oh-oh, apple… ); ki-sit si kong oh? oh?, ?apple (Tai-gi e h tai-piau glottal stop, IPA si iong ? bo e-kha hit tiam). Put-ko in kin-pun m-chai, in e nau lai-te bo chit-e mih-kiaN, sou-i m-si phonemic (m-si im-sou). > > Mui chit chiong gi-gian u i it-teng e im-sou, chiu-si kong chit khoan oe e lang in nau tai-te u e gi-im, put-ko kap in sit-che-siong chhui kong chhut-lai e gi-im bo it-teng oan-choan sio-siang. Hoa-gi e po, pho, mo, fo e ke hiah-che chu-im chhut-lai chiu-si in m-chai phone kap phoneme e chha-piat. Tai-gi ma u lang be-hiau an-ne hun, chiu kah im-pian liau e im ke cho chit-e im-sou chhut-lai (e.g., /ch/ kap /chh/ au-piah na si /i/, in-ui e palatalization, in tioh liah-chun kong in thau-cheng e chu-im si bo kang chit-e, beh piau-ki bo kang). Goa chhiaN ki-le kong, 1 e gin-a khi ti bai e khoan-keng, pian bo kang khi, ma-si li e gin-a, soah kong si pat-e gin-a! > > Gi-gian hak-ka e khang-koe ai ka kong hit e gi-gian e lang nau lai-te u joa che im-sou (chu-im, bo-im) gian-kiu chhut-lai, pai-liat hou chin sui, chin peng-heng (li-lun-siong eng-kai chin sui chin peng-heng,na bo tui-chhin3 ai kai-soeh hit e gap ui-ho e san-seng). Na-si thiaN tiohchit e siaN-im tioh kong i u hit e chu-im iah-si bo-im, an-ne m-bian gi-gian hak-ka lai cho, hiN-khang khah ho e lang tioh e-sai ah. > > peng-an, > khinhoaN > > > > > Chu-im chiu-si chu-im, chu-im im-chiat-hoa (syllabic) be-tang kong chiu-si bo-im, i si chit e syllabic consonant (im-chiat-hoa e chu-im). Tai-gi lai-te kan-na u m, ng e im-chiat-hoa bo ki-thaN e im e im-chiat-hoa. Ki-tha e im na-si u lang kong-oe ka i im-chiat-hoa ma be-tang kong si Tai-gi u chit e im-chiat-hoa e im (in-ui in m-si phoneimci, m-si im-sou, si bo i-gi e (not meaningful). > > > > > > > > >From: "Hok-chu" > > >Reply-To: "Hok-chu" > > >To: "" , "keith cheng" , ?ååç?, "Hak-khiam" , "Taigu \(Taiwanese Net\)" > > >Subject: Re: gigian pikau, goalaigi (Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)))) > > >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 20:26:41 +0800 > > > > > >U to-li! > > >M-ku goa iau-si m-bat thiann lang ka 'n' kong-cho si bo-im. > > >(Iau5 Cheng3-to7 bok-su e chheh khak-sit kong 'n' si bo-im.) > > >Lan teh ka TGB e si, tau-te beh an-choann kong? > > >'m' kap 'ng' kong im-chat-hoa, 'n' ma beh an-ne kong? > > > Babuza > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: Hokkchu ; keith cheng ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 12:06 PM > > > Subject: gigian pikau, goalaigi (Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)))) > > > > > > > > > > Lan kiam-si teh tho-lun Tai-gi? > > > > A-si teh tho-lun Hoa-gi/Hoat-gi sim-chi IPA? > > > > > > Si leh tholun Taigi bo mtioh. Mkoh > > > > > > 1. Taigi masi "lang e gigian", betang uihoan itpoaN gigianhak e kuichek. Ui patchiong gigian kap IPA etang hou lan kohkhah liaukai lan kati e gigian. > > > > > > 2. Taigi u chiaN che goalaigi, beh anchoaN kong, anchoaN sia, long si Taigi ai bintui e bunte. Tekpiat si Hoagi, POJ beh anchoaN susia ui Hoagi lai e goalaigi? (Sia Hanji/HL etang thauchiahpou: sia Hanji kio lang kati thak. Anni, bo chinchiaN kaikoat bunte.) > > > > > > Loulat. > > > > > > Kiatgak > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Hokkchu > > > To: keith cheng ; ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))) > > > > > > > > > Lan kiam-si teh tho-lun Tai-gi? > > > A-si teh tho-lun Hoa-gi/Hoat-gi sim-chi IPA? > > > > > > Goa kan-tann liau-kai TGB nai. > > > Chhun..e, goa m-kann kong. > > > Babuza > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: keith cheng > > > To: ; Hok-chu ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 5:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))) > > > > > > > > > Kok-ui; > > > > > > Kiatgak hiaN kong liau bo m-tioh. > > > "n" tek-khak e-sai imchat-hoa. M-koh POJ bo an-ne sia. > > > Hoa-gi tioh chin-che. > > > Chhin-chhiuN ebin > > > "é Ô͘?quot; e Hoa-gi hoatim na beh eng POJ sia, e-sai sia-cho "sn" > > > "??quot; e HG hoatim siacho "sng" > > > Hoagi bo "sm" > > > > > > Sichong > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: Hok-chu ; ?ååç?; Hak-khiam; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:41 AM > > > Subject: imchathoa (Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN))) > > > > > > > > > > hak-sut-siong ai ka chheng-hou cho im1chat5hoa3(syllabized). > > > > Na-si 'n', choat-tui m-si! > > > > > > Mchai "n" choattui msi simmih? > > > > > > "n" kisit ma etang imchathoa. > > > > > > > In-ui 'n' be-tang tan-tok cho su5. > > > > > > "su5"? > > > > > > "n" etang imchathoa, tongjian etang tantok cho su. Chengchha Holo Taigi bo anni eng nia. (Kisit khaugi u, bo lang sia--chhutlai nia.) > > > > > > > Chit-e koan-liam, ti lan TGB kai na-chhiunn iau chin-che lang bo chheng-chho. > > > > Iua-koh ka n kio-cho un-bo(bo-im). > > > > > > Anni kong tianto e hoe--khi. > > > > > > (1) "m, ng" punchiaN tosi "unbo" bo mtioh. > > > > > > (2) "m, ng" si "imchathoa e chuim, tongcho boim eng"; kong in si "boim" ma betang kong mtioh. > > > > > > (3) "m, ng si imchathoa e chuim" si siong oancheng e konghoat. (khah tng--chitsuta) > > > > > > Loulat. > > > > > > Kiatgak > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Hok-chu > > > To: ?ååç?; ; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:16 AM > > > Subject: Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)) > > > > > > > > > 3.m n ng khah hokchap ,e-sai-chit cho siaNbo ,phiNim unboe unbo . > > > ================================================== > > > 'M' kap 'ng' e-tang tan-tok cho su, chhiunn m2, m5, m7, ng1, ng1, ng3, ng5, ng7. > > > an-ne thang sng si 'bo-im'. > > > M-ku Khin-hoann hiann ka goa kong, > > > hak-sut-siong ai ka chheng-hou cho im1chat5hoa3(syllabized). > > > Na-si 'n', choat-tui m-si! > > > In-ui 'n' be-tang tan-tok cho su5. > > > Chit-e koan-liam, ti lan TGB kai na-chhiunn iau chin-che lang bo chheng-chho. > > > Iua-koh ka n kio-cho un-bo(bo-im). > > > Bong chham-kho. > > > Babuza > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: ?ååç?> To: ; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)) > > > > > > > > > Kiatgak hiaN kap tak-e pengan: > > > kengkoe anni e tholun ,hou goa kohjin u chin 1 pou e liaukai kap simtek. > > > chitmai goa lai poko goa e sim-tek: > > > 1.baN/laN/gaN si 15 im e siat-ke ,chin-liong mai kap POJ lam-leh kong .na beh hou-siong cho pi-kau chiah u suiau tholun. > > > 2.POJ e m n ng kap b l g si u phiNim kap bo phiNim echhapiat . > > > 3.m n ng khah hokchap ,e-sai-chit cho siaNbo ,phiNim unboe unbo . > > > 4.n kohkhah tekpiat ,khngti thaucheng si siaNbo ,khngti aupiah si unbo ,siosia si phiNhoa boim . > > > 5.siaNbo chi-u chhui-heng ,bo siaNim ,si hoat-im cheng e chhui-heng ;un-bo u siaN koh u chhui-heng ;sio n e phiNim ,chi-si phiNim e huho ,theh-chheN Li chit-im si phiN-im ,sou-i hoat-siaN 1 khai-si tio-si phiNim ,m-si un-boe . > > > 6.sou-i:ma/m-a;am/a-m ;na/[n-a];an/[a-n]aN;nga/ng-a;ang/a-ng e hoat-im ,long bo-kang-khoan . > > > i-siong e kong-hoat ,m-chai tho-tong--bo ,chhiaN chi-kau . > > > Lah-jih > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: ?ååç?; Hak-khiam ; keith cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net) > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 6:55 AM > > > Subject: "ma" e hoatim (Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN)) > > > > > > > > > Siau ls kap taike pengan, > > > > > > Kipunsiong, che si 1 e chiaN kipun e hoatim bunte. Na ehiau hou "b, m", koh ehiau hou "a, aN", to etang hou 4 chiong bokang e imchat "ba, baN, ma, maN". > > > > > > Eng "ma" cho le: to chiau itpoaN e houim kuichek, seng hou "m" [m?] koh hou "a" [a], seng liam khah ban--leh, chiah koh liam khah kin--leh, to etang hou "ma" e im--a. Ai chu-i aupiah e "a" mthang hou thaucheng e "m" enghiong--tioh. > > > > > > HukiaN si Engkok 2 e giimhak ks (John Wells kap Jill House) leh ka lang hoatim. ChhiaN thiaN khoaNmai, khoaN kap Taigi e "ma" u simmih chengchha. > > > > > > Loulat. > > > > > > Kiatgak > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "?ååç?quot; > > > To: "" ; "Hak-khiam" ; "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: jipsiaN kap m/n/ng (Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN) > > > > > > > > > > > baN ma ,laN na ,nga gaN e hoat-im ,bo-kang e sou-chai si phiN-siaN > > > > > khng-ti thau-cheng iah-si au-piah e bun-te ,hoat-siaN liau-au e kiat-ko si > > > > > kang-khoan--e > > > > > > > > Mtioh. "ba, baN, ma, maN" hoatsiaN liauau e kiatko 4 e long bo kang. 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