TLPA u 1 e chiann toa e bunte tosi kana bo simmih goanchek, ui tengui, cheteng, kongpou, kau chitma. Chiann oh kong i e goanchek ti toh? (Long oh Chinalang hit tho: oe long si in kong--e, siunn beh anchoann to anchoann.)
1998/1/12 KIP kongpou "Taioan Khehkagi Imphiau Hethong" ("http://www.edu.tw/mandr/bbs/1-4-6.htm"), 2003/2/27 kongpou "Taioan Khehgi Thongiong Imphiau Hongan" ("http://www.edu.tw/mandr/hakka/hakka.htm"). TLPA na beh khonggi, beh iaukiu poesiong, bo chiamtui 2003/2--goeh ikeng kongpou--e, tianto khi khonggi 2003/4--goeh iauboe hoatseng e taichi. Bo toli. 1 ku oe: bo goanchek, tianto sionghaitioh Taigi e hoattian. Beh sia phenglun e hiannche chhiann chhamkho. Kiatgak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bongpo" <> To: "Hak-khiam" <>; "TLH" <>; "TaiguGroup" <>; "tlu" <>; "Hok-chu" <>; "ungian,dahan" <> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: [TGB] Re: [TGB] Fw: å¾µæ±é£ç½²

khi--si~!!!

ROC the-che e toa-hak-chia tosi chitkhoan iuN-siuN!!!

~Tekhoa

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From: æ´ªæä» <>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:53 AM
Subject: FW: å¾µæ±é£ç½²

-----Original Message-----
From: æ´ªæä»
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:52 AM
To: 'YH KUO'
Subject: RE: å¾µæ±é£ç½²

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-----Original Message-----
From: YH KUO [mailto:]
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:38 PM
To: æ´ªæä»
Subject: Re: å¾µæ±é£ç½²

Some clarification needs to be made:

1) "ä¸ãæè²é¨å·²æ¼1999å¹´1æ19æ¥å ¬åé©åèªé³æ¨æ¹æ¡(ä¿ç¨±TLPA)ï¼å ¬ä½
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When has it been announced and where? Newspaper? Which one? Many
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Do we have any laws supporting this?

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Do we have evidence? If not, better not to say this. It's a
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4) "äºå¯¦ä¸TLPAèªå ¬å以ä¾å»£å人æ°çæ­¡è¿ï¼ç®åä¹åºçå90%以ä¸é½æ¡ç¨
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5) "ä¸ãä»»ä½æ¼é³æ¹æ¡é½ä¸å¯è½æ»¿è¶³ææ人çæå¾ ï¼TLPAæ¯ç±å°ç£èªæå­¸
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Could we produce evidence to support as well? As an appendix?

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What kind of survey are we talking about? Can we draft out one
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disadvantages of TLPA?

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Is it ok to inferring to certain members? (legally?)I feel that
an independent survey is needed to investigate this, instead of
the old or the new members. In this way, therewill be less
chance of having disputes and bias.

Hope these are helpful.

Usuan

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