"Chohoe lai." e "lai" ma tiaNtiaN anni liam. Mkoh taute u housekim--bo, goa bo khakteng. 2 chiong (u/bo housekim) long u lang kong. > cho-hoe lai5 kap cho-hoe laih (lai-khi) si bo-kang i-su--e. Si. Mkoh chitma si chiamtui te 2 chiong chengheng: 1. Sitche siong e im anchoaN hoat (u housekim--bo). 2. I e isu si laikhi, mkoh i kana msi hapim. 3. I kap itpoaN e "lai5" kam kang chit e su? (suibong bo kang isu, bo kang hoatim) 4. I bo ti "8(7) siaN" laite, subin anchoaN sia khah thotong? (ChutiuN sia puntiau iahsi sia piantiau e lang long ai bintui e bunte.) Loulat. Kiatgak
----- Original Message ----- From: 霅撟單祥 ; levin ; ['Tai-gu-bang'](https://web.archive.org/web/20050519232515/mailto: "") Sent: Friday, May16, 2003 10:47 PM Subject: Re: te 4siaN (Re: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5)
tak-e pengan: e-bin hiuN-kha sek--e ,si goa ko-jin e chhian-kian ,chhiaN chi-kau. Lah-jih

----- Original Message----- From: ; '霅撟單祥' ; 'Tai-gu-bang' long bo kang. > Tai-gi e siaN-tiau ki-sit si chiok hok-chap..e. Tioh. Mchai siang kuiteng "8 siaN"--e. goa ka sun-si pai --1-e ,lai2 lai lai7 lai3 (kio-cho sun-khoan pian-tiau) ;lai5 (kio-cho tok-lip e te 5 siaN ,chin kou-lau2 ,beh pian pat-im ,m chiap-siu pat-im pian-cho I e im );laih laih8 (4 pian 8 /8 pian 4 ? m-tioh ,eng-kai si 4ptkh pian 2ptkh ,8ptkh pian 3ptkh .in-ui u ''h'' siu-im kap bo ''h'' siu-im ,ki-sit si kang-khoan ,tan-si ''ptk'' e siu-im tio bo-kang--a ,in-ui I e choan-im .ki-sit In sui-jian bo-kang-tiau,m-koh ''im-tit8''(kong im-tit8 m-chai tioh--bo?)si peN5-koan5--e . na an-ni e kong-hoat e seng-lip ,tai-gi e pak-pou-im/lam-pou-im/hai-khau-im/long e hu-hap chit-e pian-tiau kui-chek . 4 pian 8 ;8 pian 4 e kui-chek ,si ui pak-pou-im siat-ke--e . Lah-jih Lenggoa, TiuN Juhong ks u kong tioh 2 chiong sin e jipsiaN, m chai kap che u koanhe--bo? (Chhiuthau bo siongse chuliau, betang khakteng TiuN ks kong--e si siaN.) Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; '霅撟單祥' ; ['Tai-gu-bang'](https://web.archive.org/web/20050519232515/mailto: "") Sent: Friday,May 16, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: RE: te 4 siaN (Re: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5)
Si7 a. Goa na bo ki m-tioh, Ang Ui-jin ti i hit-pun Chu-lip Am-po chhut e tho-lun siaN-tiau e chheh lai-te ma kong tioh chit-nng-e le..a. âKhi2--khi3â ti chin che lang (pau-koat goa ka-ti) e hoat-im lai-te koh pian seng âkhit4-li3â. Sin-soa kong leng-goa chit-e hian-siong, ma si Ang Ui-jin bat kong--tioh..e (TiuN Ju-hong ks ma na-chhiuN bat kong--tioh): âLai, lan2 lai5 khi3 chhit4-tho5!â (Chit-lai-te hit-e âkhi3â e pian-tiau bo chiau âkui-kiâ pian cho te-2-siaN,lan i-keng kong--koe..a.) Te-it-e âlaiâ goa han-tit kong âlai5â, long kong chit-chiong chhit-siaN lai-te bo e siaN-tiau: goa-e kam-kak si na-chhiuN beh hoat te-2-siaN, m-koh sui ti na-au siu-sok--khi-lai. Na chiau pian-tiau e kui-chek lai khoaN, e-tang kong si te-3-siaN pian te-2-siaN koh chiap chit-e â-hâ: âlaih3+4â. Che si goa-e kam-kak. Tai-gi e siaN-tiau ki-sit si chiok hok-chap..e. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:48 AM
To: ; '霅撟單祥'; 'Lim Chun-iok'; 'Tai-gu-bang'
Subject: Re: te 4 siaN (Re: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5) Koh siuN tioh 2 e le, te 2 siaN thak khah ke, thiaN--khilai kana "te 4 siaN": 1. khi2--lai5 2. khi2--khi3 ChhiaN chhamkho. Kiatgak

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; '霅撟單祥' ; ['Tai-gu-bang'](https://web.archive.org/web/20050519232515/mailto: "") Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: RE: te 4 siaN (Re: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5) Kiat-gak, Lou-lat. Goa-e loan-chhau-chhau e pit-ki lai-te kho-leng iau u kui-e-a le7. M-koh chit-ma bo hoat-tou khi chhu-li..a. Goa na bo ki3 m-tioh, chit-e âkohâ, âkuhâ ti Koah-aji-tian/su-tian lai-te ma si sia cho te-4-siaN. Goa ti kong-si, bo hong-pian peng chheh. Li na hong-pian chiaN chha Douglas ah TJTST khoaN-mai (goa be-ki-tit in piau te-kui-siaN..a). Lip-bun (Goa chit-cham-a khiong-kiaN bo si-kan koe--khi. Bo-tiaN au-kou-goeh, beh khi chhoe li chin-cheng goa e7 seng khah tian-oe.) -----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:11 PM
To: ; '霅撟單祥'; 'Lim Chun-iok'; 'Tai-gu-bang'
Subject: Re: te 4 siaN (Re: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5) Levin hiaN, loulat. Koh siuN tioh 2 e kisit msi "te 4 siaN" e le: 1. m-koh, m-kuh: aupiah e "koh" kap "kuh" ma bo housekim e senghun, chiau kong ma msi "te 4 siaN", engkai si "m7-ko2", "m7-ku2" chiah tioh. 2. Jitgi lai e goalaigi: chhiuN "la-ji-ouh", ma bo housekim. Mkoh beh anchoaN sia khah ho tiohai khoaN goalaigi e chhuli goanchek--a. ChhiaN chhamkho. Kiatgak p.s. Levin hiaN, goa tak lepai 1 amsi e khi BP chhamka "Tiongho Thakchhehhoe", te 3 e lepai 6 amsi e khi chhamka "Siachokhoe", 5/14epou e khi chhamka BP e pianchip hoegi.

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; '霅撟單祥' ; ['Tai-gu-bang'](https://web.archive.org/web/20050519232515/mailto: "") Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: RE: te 4 siaN (Re: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5) Kiat-gak hiaN, kok-ui bang-lou teng-koan e sian-chin, Goa kah Kiat-gak e phoe sia kah lo-li-lo-so, ng-bang lin iau u heng-chhu khoaN. Lin-e hoat-im kah goa sio-siang, bo sio-siang..e, chhiaN lin po hou goan chai. Lou-lat. E-kha na5-sek e pou-hun si goa hoe-tap Kiat-gak..e. (Kiat-gak, li pho-thong-si-a long si tang-si khi BP e pan-kong-sit?)

1. âli2 beh chhong3 siaNh?â e "siaNh" engkai si "siaN2" 2. âbeh khi toh?â e "toh" engkai si "to2" Chit 2 e si "koan5-kang3" (te 2 siaN) ti kuboe liamcho "ke-kang". Bo housekim e senghun. Chit-nng-e im-chat chhut-hian ti chit-ku oe7 siong boe2 e si5, goa long kong cho te-4-siaN. Goa e7 u chit-e bun-te to si im-ui an-ne. Goa ma bat chu-I--koe, m-si goa chit8-e lang an-ne kong nia. Che si goa chu7 se-han to kong teng-taN--khi, iah si khiuN-khau e bun-te? Che khansiap tioh "te 4 siaN" e tenggi. (He si gigian hakka e taichi.) Chitma e chiante si kong eng "-h" lai piausi housekim (glottal stop). (Che engkai si "te 4 siaN" punchiaN e enghoat.) 1. Toapouhun e lang "siaN2", "to2" ti boeliu e si long liam cho "tiong-kang3-tiau7", bo "housekim". Goa-e hoat-im, ti goa-e khiuN-khau, khak-sit si te-4-siaN: [siaNh4], [toh4]. In-ui si chhut-hian ti chit-ku oe e siong boe-liu, sou-i goa ka tong cho pun-tiau. 2. ChhiaN khakteng li hoatim u "housekim"--bo. 3. U e souchai e ka boeim jipsiaNhoa, chhiuN "mi5-phoe7" piN "mi5-phoeh", "hai2-the7" piN "hai2-theh8". Mchai ti chia simsi u kangkhoan chengheng. 4. Lenggoa chhiuN "ma2-ma2", "pa2-pa2", "a-pa2", "e7-sai2", "be7-sai2" e boeliu kap "tng2--lai5" e "tng2" long u chit khoan chengheng. Li kong..e chit-nng-tiam chiaN chhu-bi, goa e7 koh chu-i khoaN-mai. Sin-soa kong--chit-siaN: âmi5-phoe7â kah âhai2-the7â, goa long kong cho [mi7-phoe7], [hai1-the7]. Goa bo âma2-ma2, pa2-pa2, a-pa2â chiah-e kong-hoat. Goa si kong cho [bu2..a3] etc, [pah4..a3], [a7-pa5], [pa5..a7] (siong boe chit-e khah-oh khak-jin, khah-seng [pa5] khan tng5-siaN). âe7-sai2, be7-sai2â to khah-chhu-bi..a: ti goa-e hoat-im lai-te, i-e cheng-heng kah âtohâ, âsiaNhâ sio-siang: [an1-ne1 kam1 e3-saih4?], m-koh [e3-sai1 kong1]; [be3-saih4--tit], [be3-sai1 phah4..lang3]; [chhong2 siaNh4?], m-koh [siaN1-mih8/4 (?)], [chhong2 siaN1 siau5?] (u kho-leng si âchhong3 siaNh4-a2 siau5â kongkin2 e kiat-ko); [li1 be1 khi1 toh4?] (âli2 beh4 khi3 toh4?â), m-koh [chia1 si3 to1-ui7?], [to1 chit3-e7 lang5 kong2..e3?] Teng-pang goa bo kong tioh chit-e âsai/saihâ. Ki-sit goa it-tittui in ti goa ka-ti e hoat-im lai-te e pian-tiau cheng-heng chiaN houN-hian. 3. ''siaN-mih8 tai7-chi3'' e "mih8" engkai si "mih" 4. "siaN2-mih8" e "mih8" si koanjipsiaN, si "siaN2-mih mih8-kiaN7"e "mih8" Chit 2 e long u housekim e senghun, engkai si jipsiaN. Chit-nng-e le7, goa-e hoat-im kah li-e eng-kai kang-khoan. âLi2 leh chhong3 siaN2-mih8?â e âmih8â khah-seng te-8-siaN. M-koh goa-e bun-te si: âsiaN2-mih4 tai-chi?â e âmih4â, na7 si7 â-h4â, chiau goa-e khiuN-khau e pian-tiau kui-chek, to eng-kai ai pian-tiau cho âmi2â, â-hâ phah bo5--khi chiah tioh8, bo eng-kai pian cho te-8-siaN (-h8). Goa-e khiuN-khau, âsiaN2-mih4 tai7-chi3?â e âmih4â pian-tiau khah oa2 te-1-siaN. E-bin, goa khoaN kah u tam-poh-a hoe. An-ne--lah, leng-kang lan kiN-bin, chiah hou-siong thiaN lan bo-kang5 e khau-im. Ho--bou? Ho. Mkoh che kisit tiohai cho tiaucha. U chit8-tiam e-tang ti chia seng kong: Goa-e khiuN-khau, åå¡é³e te-4-siaN, pian-tiau khah seng te-2-siaN, â-hâ bo--khi; åå¡é³e te-8-siaN, pian-tiau khah seng te-3-siaN, â-hâ ma kang-khoan bo--khi. Ti goa-e hoat-im lai-te, lan chit-tiuN phoe kong--tioh e le7 long bo chiau chit-e kui-chek. Lan e hoatim kuichek bo hiahni tansun. Che tosi jipsiaN huikhi e souchai, masi sia piantiau e lang ai bintui e bunte. > te-4-siaN, pian-tiau khah seng te-2-siaN, â-hâ bo--khi "te 4 siaN" e piantiaukhah kantan e konghoat si piN "koan (jipsiaN)" (1) piN "koan5-kang3", oa "te 2 siaN" (2) piN "koan5-piN5", oa "te 1 siaN" (3) housekim suibong chiaN khin, bo itteng bo--khi. > te-8-siaN, pian-tiau khah seng te-3-siaN, â-hâ ma kang-khoan bo--khi "te 8 siaN" e piantiaukhah kantan e konghoat si piN "ke (jipsiaN)", oa "te 3 siaN". I e housekim ma bo itteng bo--khi. Sit-che-siong e âvalueâ, goa khoaN ai koh chim-chiok. M-koh teng-panggoa be-ki-tit hun-piat â-hâ kah â-p/-t/-kâ bo kang-khoan e pian-tiau kui-chek..a. Teng-pang li kong-tioh âgoa2 kah4 li2â e âkah4â eng-kaisi âkap4â. Tioh, goa pun-chiaN to hoai-gi âgoa2 kah4 li2â e kong cho [goa1 ka1 li2], si in-ui âkahâ e pian-tiau iau kaN5 u âkapâ e seng-chit.. Lou-lat. ChhiaN chhamkho. Kiatgak To-si in-ui in bo chiau kui-chek lai, goa chiah e7 u gi-bun. Goa khoaN, lan chiaN-kang chhoe chit8-kang kiN-bin chiah kong. Lou-lat. Lip-bun 5. "pian-tiau âsoahâ âkahâ te-1-siaN kiong …" e "soah" engkai si "soah" Chit e ma si housekim. Mkoh i e piantiau siokhoa u kang3, kap "khah", "chiah", "beh" siokhoa bo kang5. (Mchiah u lang ka sia cho te 3 siaN.) 6. "pian-tiau âsoahâ âkahâ te-1-siaN kiong …" e "kah" engkai si "kap" Chit e ma si housekim. Kap "soah" siosiang, i e piantiau siokhoa u kang3, kap "khah", "chiah", "beh" siokhoa bo kang5. Mkoh i e goanin si punchiaN "p" cho boeliu, piantiau piN koanjipsiaN (khah oa "koankang", te 2 siaN), jichhiaN "p" e boeliu koh phangkiN--khi. 7. âbeh khi3 toh?â e âkhi3â pian-tiau ma na2 te-1-siaN Chit e to bo housekim e senghun--a. Si lenggoa e piantiau kuichek enghiong tioh--e. ChhiaN chhamkho, chicheng. Kiatgak ----- Original Message -----

From: levin ; 'Lim Chun-iok' Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 11:12 PM Subject: RE: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5 Siau ls, Chun-iok hiaN, tak-ke CTT, Koan-he âsiaN-mihâ: â âkhahâ-cha2â, âi chhim2 âchiahâlai5ââ¦chit-khoan thoan-thong jin-ui te-4-siaN, pian-tiau âsoahâ âkahâ te-1-siaN kiong âbehâ oa2-un5 e le7, chiaN che7. (Tak-ke e-tang chu-i--tioh, âchiahâ-e khng ti7 ââ lai-te e ji7 long si chit-khoan cheng-heng.) âli2 beh chhong3 siaNh?â âbeh khi toh?â âsiaNhâ kah âtohâ chai goa lai khoaN long u kho-leng si te-4-siaN, m-koh pian-tiau âtoh-ui7 / to2-ui7â, âsiaNh-mih / siaN2-mihâ ma si kah te-1-siaN beh-oa beh-oa. Goa ka-ti e khiuN-khau, te-4-siaN kah te-8-siaN khah-phaiN hun, long ai kho3 pian-tiau lai hun. M-koh goa-e âintuitionâ si: âsiaNh-mih / siaN2-mihâ e âmihâ ma si chit-khoan te-4-siaN pian-tiau na2 te-1-siaN e cheng-heng. To si âmih-tai7â e âmihâ. Ki-sit, ti goa-e khiuN-khau, âbeh khi3 toh?â e âkhi3â pian-tiau ma na2 te-1-siaN. Teng-bin chiah-e tiat-piat e te-4-siaN, u-lang (Lou Kong-seng) bat sia bun-chiuN tho-lun--koe. M-koh goa kam-kak iau chin u thang-a tho-lun--leh. Ti su-sia2 / bun-ji siong7, lan e-tang ka7 tong-cho leng-goa chit8-khoan te-4-siaN--bou? ChhiaN chham-kho. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of 霅撟單祥
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:32 PM
To: Lim Chun-iok; Tai-gu-bang
Subject: Re: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5 Chuniok hiaNa̍tak-e :pengan! iN-khoan si Taioanoe,khoan-po ,sun-khoan,khoan-keng…longsi Hoagi su Taigi kong ,inui Hoagi khah kiongse ,soah piancho hoan-po,sun-hoan,hoan-keng…khi ,engkai msi to-ui anchoaN kong e bunte . chhinchhiuN peN-iN7 kap iN3-tiuN ,masi kangkhoan chengheng .Lan na bo se-ji ,chit-khoan tengtaN long siongsiong hoatseng . lenggoa ma chhengkau tak-e,mih8-kiaN7 ,chiah8-mih8, long iong hanji e̍©,m-kuh siaN2-mih8 ,sia cho æ¨ç©,tio7 u gi-lun--lou. e̍©mih8 si te 8 siaN ,pian-tiau si te 3 siaN,chitma chhiaN Li ka liam ''siaN-mih8 tai7-chi3'',tio7 e hoat-hian si pian-cho te 1 siaN ,sou-i msi te 8 siaN ,si te 2 siaN chiah-tioh . Lah-jih

-----Original Message ----- From: Lim Chun-iok Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: [TGB] Sun5-khoan5/hoan5 Taike ho, Koh chhiaN mng to-ui e lang kong "sun5-khoan5" a to-ui e lang kong "sun5-hoan5" Loulat Chuniok

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