Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-06-22 01:10:50

Kokui chianpoe,

Tengpai Taibun chuhoe Oddy u thechhut iong Hankokji sia Taibun e hongsek. Goa khoannliau kamkak chin chhubi, toh chiau ie hongsek sia 1phinn bunchiunn, hou takke chhamkho :D

http://phokgoan.blogspot.com/2008/06/ruby-test.html

Laite ma u chhigiam Ruby, tohsi ti tengbin iong 振り仮名 e hongsek chubeng Romaji :D

Chitku oe si -- Tengpai ti Taibun chuhoe khoanntioh Oddy thechhut e Hankokji Taibun, kamkak chin simsek, soui goa toh chhi phah 1 phinn khoannmai :)

Bong chhamkho :)

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

Re: Re: [tgb] Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-06-22 08:37:15

Phokgoan pîng-an,

Tse khak-si̍t tsin sim-sik. Guá ē-kì-tit Hân-kok-uē kap Tâi-gí kāng-khuán, mā ū ji̍p-siaⁿ ( unreleased stops ), m̄-koh in kan-taⁿ ū p, t, k ê im-tsat bué, bô h ê im-tsat bué, m̄ tsai guá ū kì m̄-tio̍h--bô.

Nā guá bô kì m̄-tio̍h, án-ne siōng-bué sī h ê sî, hit-ê siá-huat sī m̄-sī ē tsin tia̍t-pia̍t?  ^___^

Voyu

2008/6/22 Phokgoân Chio̍h :

Kokui chianpoe,

Tengpai Taibun chuhoe Oddy u thechhut iong Hankokji sia Taibun e hongsek. Goa khoannliau kamkak chin chhubi, toh chiau ie hongsek sia 1phinn bunchiunn, hou takke chhamkho :D

http://phokgoan.blogspot.com/2008/06/ruby-test.html

Laite ma u chhigiam Ruby, tohsi ti tengbin iong 振り仮名 e hongsek chubeng Romaji :D

Chitku oe si -- Tengpai ti Taibun chuhoe khoanntioh Oddy thechhut e Hankokji Taibun, kamkak chin simsek, soui goa toh chhi phah 1 phinn khoannmai :)

Bong chhamkho :)

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Lim
Date: 2008-06-22 10:01:01

Han-kok-ji ma bo siaN-tiau.

Khai

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寄件者: Lau Seng-hian

收件者: Google TGB

傳送日期: 2008年6月22日 上午 08:37

主旨: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

Phokgoan pîng-an,

Tse khak-si̍t tsin sim-sik. Guá ē-kì-tit Hân-kok-uē kap Tâi-gí kāng-khuán, mā ū ji̍p-siaⁿ ( unreleased stops ), m̄-koh in kan-taⁿ ū p, t, k ê im-tsat bué, bô h ê im-tsat bué, m̄ tsai guá ū kì m̄-tio̍h--bô.

Nā guá bô kì m̄-tio̍h, án-ne siōng-bué sī h ê sî, hit-ê siá-huat sī m̄-sī ē tsin tia̍t-pia̍t?  ^___^

Voyu

2008/6/22 Phokgoân Chio̍h :

Kokui chianpoe,

Tengpai Taibun chuhoe Oddy u thechhut iong Hankokji sia Taibun e hongsek. Goa khoannliau kamkak chin chhubi, toh chiau ie hongsek sia 1phinn bunchiunn, hou takke chhamkho :D

http://phokgoan.blogspot.com/2008/06/ruby-test.html

Laite ma u chhigiam Ruby, tohsi ti tengbin iong 振り仮名 e hongsek chubeng Romaji :D

Chitku oe si -- Tengpai ti Taibun chuhoe khoanntioh Oddy thechhut e Hankokji Taibun, kamkak chin simsek, soui goa toh chhi phah 1 phinn khoannmai :)

Bong chhamkho :)

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-06-22 10:27:32

裕凱老師平安：

你講--著 ê 就是 kài 心適 ê 1 點。

韓國話 m̄ 是聲調語言，m̄-koh in suah 有 "p, t, k" ê 入聲（unreleased stops）， 咱若是照「漢語語言學」ê 角度，kā「入聲」mā當做聲調，án-ne咱suah ē-tàng 講韓國語其實mā是聲調語言，因為in上無分做「入聲」kap「非入聲」2 ê 調    XD

Tī 世界上濟濟語言內底，"unreleased stops" 是真 sù-siông ê現象，有 ê 是一致 --ê，有 ê 是音變ê情形（其實台語 ê p,t,k 入聲音節尾mā m̄是獨立ê音素），總 --是大部份有入聲 ê 語言，in 並無 kā 入聲 sa 來講做是聲調，獨獨漢語傳統的  án-ne 講，tsit-ê 結果，就是：漢語語言學ê分析，無法度kap西方ê傳統tsih-tsiap

，欠缺一致ê比較基礎。

我個人對漢語語言學tsit種khioh燈火屎（『閉門造車』）ê做法是無法度接受--ê， 所以一直無啥想beh去修漢語語言學方面ê課，mā無想beh用in ê方法論去做研究，原 因就tī tsia。

Voyu

2008/6/22 Lim :

Han-kok-ji ma bo siaN-tiau.

Khai

----- Original Message -----

寄件者: Lau Seng-hian

收件者: Google TGB

傳送日期: 2008年6月22日 上午 08:37

主旨: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

Phokgoan pîng-an,

Tse khak-si̍t tsin sim-sik. Guá ē-kì-tit Hân-kok-uē kap Tâi-gí kāng-khuán, mā ū ji̍p-siaⁿ ( unreleased stops ), m̄-koh in kan-taⁿ ū p, t, k ê im-tsat bué, bô h ê im-tsat bué, m̄ tsai guá ū kì m̄-tio̍h--bô.

Nā guá bô kì m̄-tio̍h, án-ne siōng-bué sī h ê sî, hit-ê siá-huat sī m̄-sī ē tsin tia̍t-pia̍t?  ^___^

Voyu

2008/6/22 Phokgoân Chio̍h :

Kokui chianpoe,

Tengpai Taibun chuhoe Oddy u thechhut iong Hankokji sia Taibun e hongsek. Goa khoannliau kamkak chin chhubi, toh chiau ie hongsek sia 1phinn bunchiunn, hou takke chhamkho :D

http://phokgoan.blogspot.com/2008/06/ruby-test.html

Laite ma u chhigiam Ruby, tohsi ti tengbin iong 振り仮名 e hongsek chubeng Romaji :D

Chitku oe si -- Tengpai ti Taibun chuhoe khoanntioh Oddy thechhut e Hankokji Taibun, kamkak chin simsek, soui goa toh chhi phah 1 phinn khoannmai :)

Bong chhamkho :)

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: [tgb] Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: 天
Date: 2008-06-22 12:43:43

Phokguân, Voyu hiaⁿ, ta̍kgê hó:

Gānbûn kah hōló'uē kàisîng tīkpia̍t sio-sùphuè.  "-Ai", "-au", "-ah" m̄ tsai beh ántsuáⁿ siá, nā siá tsò "ae", "al", "ah" huānsè ū siókho͘'á ngāigio̍h, m̄ koh ē thong.  Nátshiūⁿ kanna khuehkhiàm tiāuhō niâ.  Tiâusián lâng ná bô huatbîng siaⁿtiāu, hō͘ lán tio̍h ke tshaulô… ：）

aThiⁿ

Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Phokgoân Chio̍h
Date: 2008-06-22 15:16:54

Takke ho,

   Goa punsin ma boehiau Hangul, ma boehiau Hankokgi. Che si tengpai Taigi chuhoe, Oddy thechhut e hongsek. Goa chahng giankiu chite kamkak u chhubi, chiah lai chhi phah :D

   Oddy ma uteh khoann TGB, soui goa hibang Oddy lai hoetap chite lah XD

   Goa seng ka Oddy e tongan khng ti chia hou takke khoann

   http://www.ziddu.com/download.php?uid=ZqycnZSqarGimZTzZ6qZnJGla6eblpyqbA%3D%3D5

   Chiau Oddy e konghoat, i chinliong long chiau Hangul punte u e ionghoat. Soui "a = ㅏ", "h = ㅎ" => "ah = 앟" (ke 1e "ㅇ")  taipiau thaucheng e chu2-im si khang-e. Soui, p, t, k, h e jipsiann long phah echhutlai.

   Tongjian na beh iong Hangul khaksit u chitkoa bunte, inui iugoan suiau ka chitkoa huho.

   Mkoh pikhi takke bohoattou chiapsiu e thengtou, ka 1, 2e huho kinpun toh mchiann siannmih bunte XD

   Soui lai cho che masi chhubi chhubi nia. Chinchiann sithian goa siunn si chin khunlam.

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2008-06-22 16:06:03

Jū-khái lāu-su,

Koh kóng khah tshim guá tō m̄-bat--looh… In-ūi guá bē-hiáu Hân-kok-uē.  Guá mā m̄-tsai "l" kap "t" tiong-kan ū sím-mih kuan-hē--neh.

Īng siaⁿ-tiāu lâi khuàⁿ Hàn-gí gí-giân-ha̍k ê būn-tê, koh ū 1 ê

koh khah bîng-hián ê lē: Thài-kok-uē.

Thài-kok-uē mā ū "p, t, k, h" ê ji̍p-siaⁿ, kap Tâi-gí sio-siâng, jî-tshiáⁿ mā lóng sī "unreleased stops", m̄-koh Thài-kok ê gí- giân-ha̍k-ka lóng kóng in kan-taⁿ 5 ê siaⁿ-tiāu niā-tiāⁿ, in teh

sǹg Thài-gí ê siaⁿ-tiāu ê sî, pīng bô kā "unreleased stops" sǹg tsāi lāi.

Sī in-ūi beh kap thuân-thóng sio-tsiap ê kuan-hē, lán tsiah kóng Tâi-gí ū 7 ê siaⁿ-tiāu, bô--tsiá, ji̍p-siaⁿ hui siaⁿ-tiāu ê thó-lūn, í-king

ū tsē-tsē lâng siá kuè lūn-bûn--a.

Tiong-kok huat-tián--tshut-lâi ê "ha̍k-būn", tiāⁿ-tiāⁿ ū tsit tsióng ka- tī kóng hōo ka-tī sóng ê tsîng-hîng, bô beh kap pa̍t-lâng tī kāng 1 ê piau-tsún lâi gián-kiù, guá kò-jîn sī kám-kak tsin thó-ià.

Voyu

2008/6/22 Lim Jukhai :

Seng-hian HiaN peng-an, Tioh-si an-ni 漢語語言學」 bo kho-hak(he-thong seng khiam-khoeh), Ti-su In au-tai lu-lai lu bo hoat-tian. Chin khiong-pou. Koh ke choh u hak-bun, chhong-lip 3 sio-hak lai haN kiaN lang.

Goa chai e(goa chut-ni u ka tioh 1 e Han-kok lai e kong-si hoa-kiau, u sio-khoa kap i tho-lun tioh.), Han -gi p t k koh u chit e l kiat-boe, l eng-kai si t e im-pian. Iah-si to-peng? t si l e im-pian??

Bong chham-kho

Khai

2008/6/22 Lau Seng-hian :

裕凱老師平安：

你講--著 ê 就是 kài 心適 ê 1 點。

韓國話 m̄ 是聲調語言，m̄-koh in suah 有 "p, t, k" ê 入聲（unreleased stops）， 咱若是照「漢語語言學」ê 角度，kā「入聲」mā當做聲調，án-ne咱suah ē-tàng 講韓國語其實mā是聲調語言，因為in上無分做「入聲」kap「非入聲」2 ê 調    XD

Tī 世界上濟濟語言內底，"unreleased stops" 是真 sù-siông ê現象，有 ê 是一致 --ê，有 ê 是音變ê情形（其實台語 ê p,t,k 入聲音節尾mā m̄是獨立ê音素），總 --是大部份有入聲 ê 語言，in 並無 kā 入聲 sa 來講做是聲調，獨獨漢語傳統的  án-ne 講，tsit-ê 結果，就是：漢語語言學ê分析，無法度kap西方ê傳統tsih-tsiap

，欠缺一致ê比較基礎。

我個人對漢語語言學tsit種khioh燈火屎（『閉門造車』）ê做法是無法度接受--ê， 所以一直無啥想beh去修漢語語言學方面ê課，mā無想beh用in ê方法論去做研究，原 因就tī tsia。

Voyu

2008/6/22 Lim :

Han-kok-ji ma bo siaN-tiau.

Khai

----- Original Message -----

寄件者: Lau Seng-hian

收件者: Google TGB

傳送日期: 2008年6月22日 上午 08:37

主旨: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

Phokgoan pîng-an,

Tse khak-si̍t tsin sim-sik. Guá ē-kì-tit Hân-kok-uē kap Tâi-gí kāng-khuán, mā ū ji̍p-siaⁿ ( unreleased stops ), m̄-koh in kan-taⁿ ū p, t, k ê im-tsat bué, bô h ê im-tsat bué, m̄ tsai guá ū kì m̄-tio̍h--bô.

Nā guá bô kì m̄-tio̍h, án-ne siōng-bué sī h ê sî, hit-ê siá-huat sī m̄-sī ē tsin tia̍t-pia̍t?  ^___^

Voyu

2008/6/22 Phokgoân Chio̍h :

Kokui chianpoe,

Tengpai Taibun chuhoe Oddy u thechhut iong Hankokji sia Taibun e hongsek. Goa khoannliau kamkak chin chhubi, toh chiau ie hongsek sia 1phinn bunchiunn, hou takke chhamkho :D

http://phokgoan.blogspot.com/2008/06/ruby-test.html

Laite ma u chhigiam Ruby, tohsi ti tengbin iong 振り仮名 e hongsek chubeng Romaji :D

Chitku oe si -- Tengpai ti Taibun chuhoe khoanntioh Oddy thechhut e Hankokji Taibun, kamkak chin simsek, soui goa toh chhi phah 1 phinn khoannmai :)

Bong chhamkho :)

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

--

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

--

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-24 10:54:39

Phokgoan kap takke ho,Khoann takke tholun kah chin laujiat, chin simsek, chin chan!Goa ma thekiong chitkoa chuliau hou takke bong chhamkho:1. Ganbun-sek e Taigi bunji chichio u 3 chiong. 台灣福佬話非漢字拼音符號的回顧與分析-3 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw/iug/Ungian/Chokphin/Lunbun/Huho/huho-3.htm2. Tan Siongkhe (陳松溪) siatke e bunji, chhiann khoann hutong. http://www.taioanji.com/3. Unicode u Hangul Jamo e huho, etang eng lai chouhap Hangul. (Soui na beh eng Hangul lai sia Taigi, hoanse bo hiah khunlan.) Hangul Jamo Range: 1100m̀11FF http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1100.pdf4. Siaukai Hangul e bangiah, laite u eng Taigi cho le. 韓語的字母 http://idv.sinica.edu.tw/cytseng/Korean%20reader/hangul.htmKiatgak 2008-06-24

2008/6/22 Phokgoân Chio̍h :

Takke ho,

Goa punsin ma boehiau Hangul, ma boehiau Hankokgi. Che si tengpai Taigi chuhoe, Oddy thechhut e hongsek. Goa chahng giankiu chite kamkak u chhubi, chiah lai chhi phah :D

Oddy ma uteh khoann TGB, soui goa hibang Oddy lai hoetap chite lah XD

Goa seng ka Oddy e tongan khng ti chia hou takke khoann

http://www.ziddu.com/download.php?uid=ZqycnZSqarGimZTzZ6qZnJGla6eblpyqbA%3D%3D5

Chiau Oddy e konghoat, i chinliong long chiau Hangul punte u e ionghoat. Soui "a = ㅏ", "h = ㅎ" => "ah = 앟" (ke 1e "ㅇ") taipiau thaucheng e chu2-im si khang-e. Soui, p, t, k, h e jipsiann long phah echhutlai.

Tongjian na beh iong Hangul khaksit u chitkoa bunte, inui iugoan suiau ka chitkoa huho.

Mkoh pikhi takke bohoattou chiapsiu e thengtou, ka 1, 2e huho kinpun toh mchiann siannmih bunte XD

Soui lai cho che masi chhubi chhubi nia. Chinchiann sithian goa siunn si chin khunlam.

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Hak-khiam TiuN
Date: 2008-06-24 11:21:27

Tak-ke ho:Eng-gi e "Four scores and seven years ago" beh an-choaN iong kok-chiong bun-ji lai sia? Tap-an chhiaN khoaN： http://pinyin.info/news/news_photos/2007/12/visible_speech_cover.gifTui bun-ji he-thong, bun-ji kai-kek u heng-chhu e lang it-teng ai khoaN John DeFrancis e chheh ("Visible Speech: The Diverse Oneness of Writing Systems" Honolulu: University of Hawai`i Press, 1989.)I e chheh koan-he Han-ji e pou-hun u khng ti bang-lou:http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/visible/index.htmlI koh u chit pun-chheh kio-cho "The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy", ma chin cheng-chhai, e-bin chit e bang-cham u pou-hun e lai-iong:http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/ideographic_myth.htmlHK 2008/6/24 Kiatgak Lau :

Phokgoan kap takke ho,

Khoann takke tholun kah chin laujiat, chin simsek, chin chan!

Goa ma thekiong chitkoa chuliau hou takke bong chhamkho:

  1. Ganbun-sek e Taigi bunji chichio u 3 chiong. 台灣福佬話非漢字拼音符號的回顧與分析-3 http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw/iug/Ungian/Chokphin/Lunbun/Huho/huho-3.htm

  2. Tan Siongkhe (陳松溪) siatke e bunji, chhiann khoann hutong. http://www.taioanji.com/

  3. Unicode u Hangul Jamo e huho, etang eng lai chouhap Hangul. (Soui na beh eng Hangul lai sia Taigi, hoanse bo hiah khunlan.) Hangul Jamo Range: 1100m̀11FF http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1100.pdf

  4. Siaukai Hangul e bangiah, laite u eng Taigi cho le. 韓語的字母 http://idv.sinica.edu.tw/cytseng/Korean%20reader/hangul.htm

Kiatgak 2008-06-24

2008/6/22 Phokgoân Chio̍h :

Takke ho,

Goa punsin ma boehiau Hangul, ma boehiau Hankokgi. Che si tengpai Taigi chuhoe, Oddy thechhut e hongsek. Goa chahng giankiu chite kamkak u chhubi, chiah lai chhi phah :D

Oddy ma uteh khoann TGB, soui goa hibang Oddy lai hoetap chite lah XD

Goa seng ka Oddy e tongan khng ti chia hou takke khoann

http://www.ziddu.com/download.php?uid=ZqycnZSqarGimZTzZ6qZnJGla6eblpyqbA%3D%3D5

Chiau Oddy e konghoat, i chinliong long chiau Hangul punte u e ionghoat. Soui "a = ㅏ", "h = ㅎ" => "ah = 앟" (ke 1e "ㅇ") taipiau thaucheng e chu2-im si khang-e. Soui, p, t, k, h e jipsiann long phah echhutlai.

Tongjian na beh iong Hangul khaksit u chitkoa bunte, inui iugoan suiau ka chitkoa huho.

Mkoh pikhi takke bohoattou chiapsiu e thengtou, ka 1, 2e huho kinpun toh mchiann siannmih bunte XD

Soui lai cho che masi chhubi chhubi nia. Chinchiann sithian goa siunn si chin khunlam.

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

Re: Re: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2008-06-24 11:26:12

Voyu, Khái--ko, kap ta̍kke hó,Lín su-khó kah tsin tshim-ji̍p, kā lín phah pho̍k-á. Tâi-uân tō sī ài án-ne (su-khó ài ū hē-thóng-sìng, …) tsiah ē tsìn-pōo. Hiān-tsú-sî Tâi-bûn-kài iáu bē tsió lâng ti̍t-tsiap the̍h kóo-tsá ê lí-lūn lâi kà--lâng, bô khì huán-síng lí-lūn thong ia̍h bē thong, si̍t-tsāi sian m̄-thang.Voyu kóng--ê lia̍h-guā, koh ū 1 ê ki-pún-tik ê būn-tê: Tâi-uân-uē lāi-té ū tsin tsē tshiūnn "khóp-puh" tsit tsióng sû, in sī beh sǹg siánn-mih "siann-tiāu"? (Uân-tsińg ê lí-lūn tiānn-tio̍h ài khó-lū--tio̍h.)Kiatgak 2008-06-24

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Lau Seng-hian wrote:

Jū-khái lāu-su,

Koh kóng khah tshim guá tō m̄-bat--looh… In-ūi guá bē-hiáu Hân-kok-uē. Guá mā m̄-tsai "l" kap "t" tiong-kan ū sím-mih kuan-hē--neh.

Īng siaⁿ-tiāu lâi khuàⁿ Hàn-gí gí-giân-ha̍k ê būn-tê, koh ū 1 ê koh khah bîng-hián ê lē: Thài-kok-uē.

Thài-kok-uē mā ū "p, t, k, h" ê ji̍p-siaⁿ, kap Tâi-gí sio-siâng, jî-tshiáⁿ mā lóng sī "unreleased stops", m̄-koh Thài-kok ê gí- giân-ha̍k-ka lóng kóng in kan-taⁿ 5 ê siaⁿ-tiāu niā-tiāⁿ, in teh sǹg Thài-gí ê siaⁿ-tiāu ê sî, pīng bô kā "unreleased stops" sǹg tsāi lāi.

Sī in-ūi beh kap thuân-thóng sio-tsiap ê kuan-hē, lán tsiah kóng Tâi-gí ū 7 ê siaⁿ-tiāu, bô--tsiá, ji̍p-siaⁿ hui siaⁿ-tiāu ê thó-lūn, í-king ū tsē-tsē lâng siá kuè lūn-bûn--a.

Tiong-kok huat-tián--tshut-lâi ê "ha̍k-būn", tiāⁿ-tiāⁿ ū tsit tsióng ka- tī kóng hōo ka-tī sóng ê tsîng-hîng, bô beh kap pa̍t-lâng tī kāng 1 ê piau-tsún lâi gián-kiù, guá kò-jîn sī kám-kak tsin thó-ià.

Voyu

2008/6/22 Lim Jukhai :

Seng-hian HiaN peng-an, Tioh-si an-ni 漢語語言學」 bo kho-hak(he-thong seng khiam-khoeh), Ti-su In au-tai lu-lai lu bo hoat-tian. Chin khiong-pou. Koh ke choh u hak-bun, chhong-lip 3 sio-hak lai haN kiaN lang.

Goa chai e(goa chut-ni u ka tioh 1 e Han-kok lai e kong-si hoa-kiau, u sio-khoa kap i tho-lun tioh.), Han -gi p t k koh u chit e l kiat-boe, l eng-kai si t e im-pian. Iah-si to-peng? t si l e im-pian??

Bong chham-kho

Khai

2008/6/22 Lau Seng-hian :

裕凱老師平安：

你講--著 ê 就是 kài 心適 ê 1 點。

韓國話 m̄ 是聲調語言，m̄-koh in suah 有 "p, t, k" ê 入聲（unreleased stops）， 咱若是照「漢語語言學」ê 角度，kā「入聲」mā當做聲調，án-ne咱suah ē-tàng 講韓國語其實mā是聲調語言，因為in上無分做「入聲」kap「非入聲」2 ê 調 XD

Tī 世界上濟濟語言內底，"unreleased stops" 是真 sù-siông ê現象，有 ê 是一致 --ê，有 ê 是音變ê情形（其實台語 ê p,t,k 入聲音節尾mā m̄是獨立ê音素），總 --是大部份有入聲 ê 語言，in 並無 kā 入聲 sa 來講做是聲調，獨獨漢語傳統的 án-ne 講，tsit-ê 結果，就是：漢語語言學ê分析，無法度kap西方ê傳統tsih-tsiap ，欠缺一致ê比較基礎。

我個人對漢語語言學tsit種khioh燈火屎（『閉門造車』）ê做法是無法度接受--ê， 所以一直無啥想beh去修漢語語言學方面ê課，mā無想beh用in ê方法論去做研究，原 因就tī tsia。

Voyu

2008/6/22 Lim :

Han-kok-ji ma bo siaN-tiau. Khai

----- Original Message ----- 寄件者: Lau Seng-hian 收件者: Google TGB 傳送日期: 2008年6月22日 上午 08:37 主旨: [tgb] Re: Iong Hankokji phah Taibun e chhigiam Phokgoan pîng-an,

Tse khak-si̍t tsin sim-sik. Guá ē-kì-tit Hân-kok-uē kap Tâi-gí kāng-khuán, mā ū ji̍p-siaⁿ ( unreleased stops ), m̄-koh in kan-taⁿ ū p, t, k ê im-tsat bué, bô h ê im-tsat bué, m̄ tsai guá ū kì m̄-tio̍h--bô.

Nā guá bô kì m̄-tio̍h, án-ne siōng-bué sī h ê sî, hit-ê siá-huat sī m̄-sī ē tsin tia̍t-pia̍t? ^___^

Voyu

2008/6/22 Phokgoân Chio̍h :

Kokui chianpoe,

Tengpai Taibun chuhoe Oddy u thechhut iong Hankokji sia Taibun e hongsek. Goa khoannliau kamkak chin chhubi, toh chiau ie hongsek sia 1phinn bunchiunn, hou takke chhamkho :D

http://phokgoan.blogspot.com/2008/06/ruby-test.html

Laite ma u chhigiam Ruby, tohsi ti tengbin iong 振り仮名 e hongsek chubeng Romaji :D

Chitku oe si -- Tengpai ti Taibun chuhoe khoanntioh Oddy thechhut e Hankokji Taibun, kamkak chin simsek, soui goa toh chhi phah 1 phinn khoannmai :)

Bong chhamkho :)

Phokgoan, Lakgoeh 22, 2008

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

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-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～