Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

2009-06-21

Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

From:
Date: 2009-06-21 16:51:56

Kok-ūi hiaⁿ-ché sī-toā pêng-an,

Tùi chit-gê oē-toê chhiáⁿ iông-ún goá koh chìn-chi̍t-pō͘ lo-so chi̍t-toāⁿ.

Lán Tâi-oân-oē ū chit-chióng kóng-oē ê lâng ēng oē(giân-gú/gí) kho͘ chi̍t-tīn-lâng lâi kap kóng-oē ê tùi-siòng hun "lí kah goá", kóng kah chiah-iù ê kóng-oē hong-sek. Tiong-bûn kài-sêng bô? Nā án-ne, lán nā ūi tio̍h boh kāng Tâi-gí "Hàn-jī-hoà", tó͘-kiông ti "goán kah lán" chit-lūi ê jī, kóng sī bó͘ chi̍t-jī Hàn-jī. Tī chi̍t-má lán toā-toā-soè-soà lóng chìm tī Tiong-bûn ê khoân-kéng tang-tiong. Sī-m̄-sī chiong-kui-bé lán khah jio̍k-sè lán-ê oē oē bô-khì. Lán nā bô tiám-tiám-chîn, Hàn-jī-hoà sī-m̄-sī oē-sī lēng-goā chi̍t-chióng siau-bia̍t Tâi-gí ê pō͘-sò͘? Chhun 我們 kah 咱 sī "hoan-e̍k", kiám-thang kóng-sī "goán kah lán" ê "Hàn-jī"?

Phái-sè. Seng kóng chit-hāng, kóng kàu chia.

CKE

----- Original Message ----- From:

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

Ta̍k-ke Pên-an,

"Goa" sī: chheng-ho͘, piáu-sī kóng-oē pún-lâng it-kí(ka-kī) ê ì-sù. Kan-nā kóng ka-kī chi̍t-gê-lâng niā, ham pa̍t-lâng lóng bô tī-tāi.

Goán = Gún. Chí-sī bô-kâng só͘-chāi bô-kâng ê khiuⁿ-kháu jî-í. Nā goá bô hut-m̄-tio̍h, "goán sī pak-khiuⁿ", "gún sī lâm-khiuⁿ".

"Goán kah gún" sī kóng: goá chit-má kóng-oē ê sî ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong it-tēng ū goá, m̄-koh choat-tùi bô lí. Bô chit-má kap goá kóng-oē ê lí. Lí bô sǹg tī lāi-toé.

"Lán" sī kóng: goá chit-má kóng-oē ê sî ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong it-tēng ū goá, mā iáu-ū lí. Ū chit-má tng-teh kap goá kóng-oē ê lí. Lí sǹg tī lāi-toé.

CKE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bu gi-ian

To: Lah-jih Siau ; Taigi_Bang

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:23 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

taike pengan

1.goan it-poann si u hok-sou e i-ham , tansi chinche taipak lang goa chin-chio tit-chiap kong goa , long kong gun

leju: gun ma-beh khi , gun ma-beh chham-ka ,

2.bou=sim-pu , goan-bou , goan5 si chi2 goan-tau e sim-pu , tioh-si khiam-chheng goa-e-bou ,

3.goan lau-pe ma kang-khoan chi goan-tau e lau-pe , u khiam-i kap chun-tiong e i-ham

bong chhamkho bugiian AM 10:22

----- Original Message ----- 

**From:** 
Lah-jih Siau 

**To:** Taigi_Bang 

**Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:49 
AM

**Subject:** [tgb] goa kap goan

Chhiann mng tak-e:

Taigi goa kap goan(gun) e bo-kang ti 
to-ui?

u-lang kong goa si tan-sou, goan si 
hok-sou,

goan lau-pe, goan lau-bu, goan 
a-hiann/che/sio-ti/sio-moai long e-thong, m-koh na kong cho goa lau-pe, goa 
lau-bu...,si-m-si kam-kak koai-koai?

ah na-si goan bou kong-cho goa e bou, to 
na-chhiunn be-thong,

m-koh goan bou kan-tan 1-e ang, na2 m kong 
goa bou?

 goa e khoann-hoat si:

goan u 2-e i-su, 1-e si ''goa'' e hok-sou, 
1-e si '' goa e '' e hap-im, anni kong kam-tioh?

Lah-jih

Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2009-06-21 19:38:05

若beh講 lán (咱) kap guán / gún (阮)bē-hiáu 分ê例，我已經拄--tio̍h m̄-nā 1 ê按呢ê少年人--a，tse確實kap台灣華語無tsit-ê區分有關係。若tī中國，有tsi̍t-kuá普通話ê方言是有親像台語按呢ê第1人稱複數區別--ê。

但是tsit件代誌kap漢字ê關係tī toh，我就khah無了解。

2009/6/21

Kok-ūi hiaⁿ-ché sī-toā pêng-an,

Tùi chit-gê oē-toê chhiáⁿ iông-ún goá koh chìn-chi̍t-pō͘ lo-so chi̍t-toāⁿ.

Phái-sè. Seng kóng chit-hāng, kóng kàu chia.

CKE

----- Original Message ----- From:

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

Ta̍k-ke Pên-an,

"Goa" sī: chheng-ho͘, piáu-sī kóng-oē pún-lâng it-kí(ka-kī) ê ì-sù. Kan-nā kóng ka-kī chi̍t-gê-lâng niā, ham pa̍t-lâng lóng bô tī-tāi.

Goán = Gún. Chí-sī bô-kâng só͘-chāi bô-kâng ê khiuⁿ-kháu jî-í. Nā goá bô hut-m̄-tio̍h, "goán sī pak-khiuⁿ", "gún sī lâm-khiuⁿ".

CKE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bu gi-ian

To: Lah-jih Siau ; Taigi_Bang

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:23 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

taike pengan

1.goan it-poann si u hok-sou e i-ham , tansi chinche taipak lang goa chin-chio tit-chiap kong goa , long kong gun

leju: gun ma-beh khi , gun ma-beh chham-ka ,

2.bou=sim-pu , goan-bou , goan5 si chi2 goan-tau e sim-pu , tioh-si khiam-chheng goa-e-bou ,

3.goan lau-pe ma kang-khoan chi goan-tau e lau-pe , u khiam-i kap chun-tiong e i-ham

bong chhamkho bugiian AM 10:22

----- Original Message ----- 

**From:** 
Lah-jih Siau 

**To:** Taigi_Bang 

**Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:49 
AM

**Subject:** [tgb] goa kap goan

Chhiann mng tak-e:

Taigi goa kap goan(gun) e bo-kang ti 
to-ui?

u-lang kong goa si tan-sou, goan si 
hok-sou,

goan lau-pe, goan lau-bu, goan 
a-hiann/che/sio-ti/sio-moai long e-thong, m-koh na kong cho goa lau-pe, goa 
lau-bu...,si-m-si kam-kak koai-koai?

ah na-si goan bou kong-cho goa e bou, to 
na-chhiunn be-thong,

m-koh goan bou kan-tan 1-e ang, na2 m kong 
goa bou?

 goa e khoann-hoat si:

goan u 2-e i-su, 1-e si ''goa'' e hok-sou, 
1-e si '' goa e '' e hap-im, anni kong kam-tioh?

Lah-jih

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

From:
Date: 2009-06-22 17:42:48

Lâu-siàn,

Che m̄-sī kan-nā 單數複數 niā, iáu-ū ū kāng kóng-oē tùi-siòng sǹg chāi-lāi--bô ê hâm-ì.

To̍h-sī án-ne goá tah-oē ti "goá", "goán" kah "lán" khioh-chò-hoé kóng. Goá mā ū thiaⁿ lâng kóng, Tang-lâm-a ū chi̍t-koá gí-giân, kóng ham-lán sio-siâng ū chit-chióng kóng hoat.

Lán chit-má kui-ji̍t-kàu-àm lóng chìm tī Tiong-bûn tang-tiong. Lán koh Tâi-gí Hàn-jī-hoà. Lóng-chóng sī Hàn-jī. Lán thīn-lâng boē-koè. Lán ê gí-kám, su-khó-hong-hoat sī-m̄-sī oē hō͘ Tiong-bûn khan-teh-kiâⁿ, thoa-teh-cháu. Bô-tiuⁿ-bô-tî, bô-siaⁿ-bô-seh Tâi-oân-oē chhun-án-ne siau-sit khì! Kám-m̄-sī? Che kám m̄-sī chi̍t-gê hiān-siōng, chi̍t-gē chin-hó, chin-ū 指標性 ê lē? Hàn-jī lán ū Tiong-bûn, choa̍t-tùi mā-oē ū chiok-kú, Tâi-oân-lâng choa̍t-tùi boē bô-thang-o̍h! M̄-koh Tâi-oân-oē chit-má án-ne pìⁿ, kiám oē-hù-chhī? Chng-hó! Khì hō͘ lâng chhoā-khì-loh!

Put-liông sim-ì chi̍t-kang-kàu-àm lóng teh siūⁿ-beh siau-bia̍t lâng-ê bûn-hoà gí-giân kah tham-u lóng sio-siâng. Lóng choa̍t-tùi sī phái-tāi. M̄-koh mā-ū gâu-lâng kóng: chhò-gō͘ ê chèng-chhek pí tham-u khah khó-phàⁿ. Chit-lâu-pái-sî choân-le̍k chhui-sak Lô-má-jī sī-m̄-sī sī khah hó ê chèng-chhek?

Se̍h-lâi-se̍h-khì lóng kóng sio-kâng-ê oē. Lóng-mā-sī iáu-boē chhoē-tio̍h hō͘ goá kái-piàn chú-tiuⁿ ê lí-iû. Bô siáⁿ-mi̍h cheng-chhái. Lâu-siàn, lán soah-soah lah, hoh?

CKE

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

但是tsit件代誌kap漢字ê關係tī toh，我就khah無了解。

2009/6/21

Kok-ūi hiaⁿ-ché sī-toā 
pêng-an,

Tùi chit-gê oē-toê chhiáⁿ iông-ún goá 
koh chìn-chi̍t-pō͘ lo-so chi̍t-toāⁿ.

Lán Tâi-oân-oē ū chit-chióng kóng-oē 
ê lâng ēng oē(giân-gú/gí) kho͘ chi̍t-tīn-lâng lâi kap kóng-oē ê tùi-siòng 
hun "lí kah goá", kóng kah chiah-iù ê kóng-oē hong-sek.  Tiong-bûn 
kài-sêng bô?  Nā án-ne, lán nā ūi tio̍h boh kāng Tâi-gí "Hàn-jī-hoà", 
tó͘-kiông ti "goán kah lán" chit-lūi ê jī, kóng sī bó͘ chi̍t-jī 
Hàn-jī.  Tī chi̍t-má lán toā-toā-soè-soà lóng chìm tī Tiong-bûn ê 
khoân-kéng tang-tiong.  Sī-m̄-sī chiong-kui-bé lán khah jio̍k-sè lán-ê 
oē oē bô-khì.  Lán nā bô tiám-tiám-chîn, Hàn-jī-hoà sī-m̄-sī 
oē-sī lēng-goā chi̍t-chióng siau-bia̍t Tâi-gí ê pō͘-sò͘?  
Chhun 我們 kah 咱 sī "hoan-e̍k", kiám-thang kóng-sī "goán kah lán" ê 
"Hàn-jī"?

Phái-sè.  Seng kóng chit-hāng, 
kóng kàu chia.

CKE

----- Original Message ----- 
**From:** 
 
**To:** Taigi_Bang 

**Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:22 PM

**Subject:** Re: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

Ta̍k-ke Pên-an,

"Goa" sī: chheng-ho͘, piáu-sī kóng-oē 
pún-lâng it-kí(ka-kī) ê ì-sù.  Kan-nā kóng ka-kī chi̍t-gê-lâng niā, ham 
pa̍t-lâng lóng bô tī-tāi.

Goán =  Gún.  Chí-sī 
bô-kâng só͘-chāi bô-kâng ê khiuⁿ-kháu jî-í.  Nā goá bô hut-m̄-tio̍h, 
"goán sī pak-khiuⁿ", "gún sī lâm-khiuⁿ".

"Goán kah gún" sī kóng: 
goá chit-má kóng-oē ê sî ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong 
it-tēng ū goá, m̄-koh choat-tùi bô lí.  Bô chit-má kap goá kóng-oē ê 
lí.  Lí bô sǹg tī lāi-toé.

"Lán" sī 
kóng:  goá chit-má kóng-oē ê 
sî  ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong it-tēng ū goá, 
mā iáu-ū lí.  Ū chit-má tng-teh kap goá kóng-oē ê lí.  Lí sǹg tī 
lāi-toé.

CKE

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Bu gi-ian 

  **To:** Lah-jih Siau ; Taigi_Bang 

  **Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:23 AM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

  taike pengan 

  1.goan it-poann si u hok-sou e i-ham , tansi chinche taipak 
  lang goa chin-chio tit-chiap kong goa ,  long kong gun

  leju: gun ma-beh khi , gun ma-beh chham-ka , 

  2.bou=sim-pu , goan-bou , goan5 si chi2 goan-tau e sim-pu , tioh-si 
  khiam-chheng goa-e-bou ,  

  3.goan lau-pe ma kang-khoan chi goan-tau e lau-pe , u khiam-i kap 
  chun-tiong e i-ham

  bong chhamkho  bugiian AM 10:22

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    **From:** 
    Lah-jih Siau 

    **To:** Taigi_Bang 

    **Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:49 AM

    **Subject:** [tgb] goa kap goan

    Chhiann mng tak-e:

    Taigi goa kap goan(gun) e bo-kang ti 
    to-ui?

    u-lang kong goa si tan-sou, goan si 
    hok-sou,

    goan lau-pe, goan lau-bu, goan 
    a-hiann/che/sio-ti/sio-moai long e-thong, m-koh na kong cho goa lau-pe, 
    goa lau-bu...,si-m-si kam-kak koai-koai?

    ah na-si goan bou kong-cho goa e bou, 
    to na-chhiunn be-thong,

    m-koh goan bou kan-tan 1-e ang, na2 m 
    kong goa bou?

     goa e khoann-hoat 
    si:

    goan u 2-e i-su, 1-e si ''goa'' e 
    hok-sou, 1-e si '' goa e '' e hap-im, anni kong kam-tioh?

    Lah-jih

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2009-06-22 18:13:03

Sianpai,

1.我知影tse m̄-nā是單複數ê問題，tī回答蕭老師ê時，我就已經講kah tsiok清楚--a，kiám-tshái我寫了無參考價值，所以你無印象。

2.你講：「Lóng-mā-sī iáu-boē chhoē-tio̍h hō͘ goá kái-piàn chú-tiuⁿ ê lí-iû」，我想信仰是無需要人來說服--ê，tse kap學術無仝。

Sêng-hiân

2009/6/22

Lâu-siàn,

Che m̄-sī kan-nā 單數複數 niā, iáu-ū ū kāng kóng-oē tùi-siòng sǹg chāi-lāi--bô ê hâm-ì.

CKE

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

但是tsit件代誌kap漢字ê關係tī toh，我就khah無了解。

2009/6/21

Kok-ūi hiaⁿ-ché sī-toā pêng-an,

Tùi chit-gê oē-toê chhiáⁿ iông-ún goá koh chìn-chi̍t-pō͘ lo-so chi̍t-toāⁿ.

Phái-sè. Seng kóng chit-hāng, kóng kàu chia.

CKE

----- Original Message ----- From:

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:22 PM

Subject: Re: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

Ta̍k-ke Pên-an,

"Goa" sī: chheng-ho͘, piáu-sī kóng-oē pún-lâng it-kí(ka-kī) ê ì-sù. Kan-nā kóng ka-kī chi̍t-gê-lâng niā, ham pa̍t-lâng lóng bô tī-tāi.

Goán = Gún. Chí-sī bô-kâng só͘-chāi bô-kâng ê khiuⁿ-kháu jî-í. Nā goá bô hut-m̄-tio̍h, "goán sī pak-khiuⁿ", "gún sī lâm-khiuⁿ".

CKE

----- Original Message -----

From: Bu gi-ian

To: Lah-jih Siau ; Taigi_Bang

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:23 AM

Subject: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

taike pengan

1.goan it-poann si u hok-sou e i-ham , tansi chinche taipak lang goa chin-chio tit-chiap kong goa , long kong gun

leju: gun ma-beh khi , gun ma-beh chham-ka ,

2.bou=sim-pu , goan-bou , goan5 si chi2 goan-tau e sim-pu , tioh-si khiam-chheng goa-e-bou ,

3.goan lau-pe ma kang-khoan chi goan-tau e lau-pe , u khiam-i kap chun-tiong e i-ham

bong chhamkho bugiian AM 10:22

----- Original Message -----

From: Lah-jih Siau

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:49 AM

Subject: [tgb] goa kap goan

Chhiann mng tak-e:

Taigi goa kap goan(gun) e bo-kang ti to-ui?

u-lang kong goa si tan-sou, goan si hok-sou,

goan lau-pe, goan lau-bu, goan a-hiann/che/sio-ti/sio-moai long e-thong, m-koh na kong cho goa lau-pe, goa lau-bu…,si-m-si kam-kak koai-koai?

ah na-si goan bou kong-cho goa e bou, to na-chhiunn be-thong,

m-koh goan bou kan-tan 1-e ang, na2 m kong goa bou?

goa e khoann-hoat si:

goan u 2-e i-su, 1-e si ''goa'' e hok-sou, 1-e si '' goa e '' e hap-im, anni kong kam-tioh?

Lah-jih

Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

From: 天
Date: 2009-06-22 21:19:16

Tâi 語 mạ sị 東南亜 ê 語言，kám ṃ sị？（Pháinnsè，正 Tâi'oân 字我 chit chụn 拍無。）

南 pêng（Huilịppin koh 過）有一寡語言，「lán」ê 語詞変做 sị「汝」ê 意思。Tann Tâi 語 mạ 有：「Lán hia tó 位？」

Tị Pin'nṇg 嶼 hia ná 像 ṃ bat 聴人講「goán」ahsị「lán」，kanna「goálâng」。

Họló 話 koh 有一 ê 趣味 ê 代詞 tọ sị「lílán」。

天

Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

From: Lim
Date: 2009-06-23 10:45:57

Kok-ui peng-an,

Goa siuN, chit chan tai-chi, tek-khak tioh pun choe 2 hong-bin lai khoaN:

Tai-gi, chia si kong, tak lang oh-tioh Taigi chit e gi-gian e koe-theng.
Bun-ji, si kong, oh bun-ji lan piau-tat gi-gian e koe-theng.

ChhiaN siang-hong e-sai an-ni lai kong.

Tai-oan e Han-ji lang (su-iong han-ji e lang), toa pou-hun, eng-lai long si oh hoa-gi lai thak han-ji, Chhun goa-choe Tai-gi han-oh-a sian, goa m-chai. He ma bo i-gi, in-ui bo sia-hoe-hoa e iong-tou. Sou-i, han-ji tui Tai-oan lang lai-kong, si piau-ki Hoa-gi e hu-ho. Tong-jian ma e-sai thau-koe kau-iok, koh teng-thau ka 1 pai, ka Han-ji ka choe Tai-gi. Che tioh-si hia e lang e bun-toe.

Kheh-lang jin-ui Han-ji thak Kheh-oe tioh-si Kheh-gi, Kng-tang lang, ka Han-ji thak kng-tang-oe,…, long-si an-ni. It-tit kau Han-kok, Jit-pun long-si. Che goa i-cheng kong-koe ah. Han-ji bo-hoat-tou piau-hian jin-ho 1 chiong gi-gian. Lian Hoa-gi ma bo-hoat-tou.

(Che m-thang koh kong, li-lun siong, bo jim-ho e bun-ji e-sai piau-ki jim-ho gi-gian, PS: Kan-the-ji kam beh sng si Han-ji???)

Na-si chiau chit-ma e cheng-chhek(bian kong ah, na-si beh teng-thau ka Tai-gi han-ji, Hoa-gi han-ji), Tai-gi (Han-ji)cheng-hong si chin hui-hiam.

Na-si, kong Gi-gian e pou-hun leh?? Bi-kok, Eng-kok e khit-chiah long e-sai choe lan e Eng-gi kau-su ah, u hak-lek bo hak-lek long bo koan-he, chi-iau i u hit-e seng-oah khoan-keng tioh oh e-hiau, ji-chhiaN it-teng pi lan chit khoan nge-oh-e koh khah lau2. Chit-ma e Tai-gi leh? Kam u Tai-gi e khoan-keng?? Han-ji tak-e long chu-tong thak choe Hoa-gi khi ah. To-ui e-sai thak tioh Tai-gi?? Tai-gi han-ji??

Koh lai, si Hoa-gi ti Tai-oan e thong-heng kap li-pian, lan beh ti tang-si eng Tai-gi??? Soan-ki??? Tih-beh bo a lah…

I-siong kam-khai khah choe li-lou, chhiaN pau-ham.

Khai

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

但是tsit件代誌kap漢字ê關係tī toh，我就khah無了解。

2009/6/21

Kok-ūi hiaⁿ-ché sī-toā 
pêng-an,

Tùi chit-gê oē-toê chhiáⁿ iông-ún goá 
koh chìn-chi̍t-pō͘ lo-so chi̍t-toāⁿ.

Lán Tâi-oân-oē ū chit-chióng kóng-oē 
ê lâng ēng oē(giân-gú/gí) kho͘ chi̍t-tīn-lâng lâi kap kóng-oē ê tùi-siòng 
hun "lí kah goá", kóng kah chiah-iù ê kóng-oē hong-sek.  Tiong-bûn 
kài-sêng bô?  Nā án-ne, lán nā ūi tio̍h boh kāng Tâi-gí "Hàn-jī-hoà", 
tó͘-kiông ti "goán kah lán" chit-lūi ê jī, kóng sī bó͘ chi̍t-jī 
Hàn-jī.  Tī chi̍t-má lán toā-toā-soè-soà lóng chìm tī Tiong-bûn ê 
khoân-kéng tang-tiong.  Sī-m̄-sī chiong-kui-bé lán khah jio̍k-sè lán-ê 
oē oē bô-khì.  Lán nā bô tiám-tiám-chîn, Hàn-jī-hoà sī-m̄-sī 
oē-sī lēng-goā chi̍t-chióng siau-bia̍t Tâi-gí ê pō͘-sò͘?  
Chhun 我們 kah 咱 sī "hoan-e̍k", kiám-thang kóng-sī "goán kah lán" ê 
"Hàn-jī"?

Phái-sè.  Seng kóng chit-hāng, 
kóng kàu chia.

CKE

----- Original Message ----- 
**From:** 
 
**To:** Taigi_Bang 

**Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:22 PM

**Subject:** Re: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

Ta̍k-ke Pên-an,

"Goa" sī: chheng-ho͘, piáu-sī kóng-oē 
pún-lâng it-kí(ka-kī) ê ì-sù.  Kan-nā kóng ka-kī chi̍t-gê-lâng niā, ham 
pa̍t-lâng lóng bô tī-tāi.

Goán =  Gún.  Chí-sī 
bô-kâng só͘-chāi bô-kâng ê khiuⁿ-kháu jî-í.  Nā goá bô hut-m̄-tio̍h, 
"goán sī pak-khiuⁿ", "gún sī lâm-khiuⁿ".

"Goán kah gún" sī kóng: 
goá chit-má kóng-oē ê sî ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong 
it-tēng ū goá, m̄-koh choat-tùi bô lí.  Bô chit-má kap goá kóng-oē ê 
lí.  Lí bô sǹg tī lāi-toé.

"Lán" sī 
kóng:  goá chit-má kóng-oē ê 
sî  ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong it-tēng ū goá, 
mā iáu-ū lí.  Ū chit-má tng-teh kap goá kóng-oē ê lí.  Lí sǹg tī 
lāi-toé.

CKE

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Bu gi-ian 

  **To:** Lah-jih Siau ; Taigi_Bang 

  **Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:23 AM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

  taike pengan 

  1.goan it-poann si u hok-sou e i-ham , tansi chinche taipak 
  lang goa chin-chio tit-chiap kong goa ,  long kong gun

  leju: gun ma-beh khi , gun ma-beh chham-ka , 

  2.bou=sim-pu , goan-bou , goan5 si chi2 goan-tau e sim-pu , tioh-si 
  khiam-chheng goa-e-bou ,  

  3.goan lau-pe ma kang-khoan chi goan-tau e lau-pe , u khiam-i kap 
  chun-tiong e i-ham

  bong chhamkho  bugiian AM 10:22

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    **From:** 
    Lah-jih Siau 

    **To:** Taigi_Bang 

    **Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:49 AM

    **Subject:** [tgb] goa kap goan

    Chhiann mng tak-e:

    Taigi goa kap goan(gun) e bo-kang ti 
    to-ui?

    u-lang kong goa si tan-sou, goan si 
    hok-sou,

    goan lau-pe, goan lau-bu, goan 
    a-hiann/che/sio-ti/sio-moai long e-thong, m-koh na kong cho goa lau-pe, 
    goa lau-bu...,si-m-si kam-kak koai-koai?

    ah na-si goan bou kong-cho goa e bou, 
    to na-chhiunn be-thong,

    m-koh goan bou kan-tan 1-e ang, na2 m 
    kong goa bou?

     goa e khoann-hoat 
    si:

    goan u 2-e i-su, 1-e si ''goa'' e 
    hok-sou, 1-e si '' goa e '' e hap-im, anni kong kam-tioh?

    Lah-jih

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

Re: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

From: Lau Seng-hian
Date: 2009-06-23 11:06:32

Tī台灣，漢字差不多變做華語teh專用，tse反應--ê，就是政策造成強勢語言ê現實；羅馬字--leh？羅馬字kám tio̍h走閃有成？恐驚á無--o͘h….

Tak-ê ē-tàng做1 ê試驗：提1張有印羅馬字ê紙（毋管是台文、法文、英文…lóng好），hōo人iáⁿ--tsi̍t-ē了後，我敢講hit-ê人ê認知kap回應tiāⁿ-tio̍h是：『你拿這張"英文"的東西做什麼？』

英語tsiâⁿ做通世界上大ê killer language kap準共通語，koh加上台灣怪孽ê英語崇拜，tī大多數台灣人ê心-- ni̍h，「英語」就是「羅馬字」ê代名詞，kám m̄是？

台灣人ē驚英語--無？我看10 ê人內底，恐驚á有超過1半ê人teh驚…結果in suah因為驚…koh-khah kā「羅馬字lóng當做英語….」….hāi….

2009/6/23 Lim

Kok-ui peng-an,

Goa siuN, chit chan tai-chi, tek-khak tioh pun choe 2 hong-bin lai khoaN:

Tai-gi, chia si kong, tak lang oh-tioh Taigi chit e gi-gian e koe-theng.
Bun-ji, si kong, oh bun-ji lan piau-tat gi-gian e koe-theng.

ChhiaN siang-hong e-sai an-ni lai kong.

(Che m-thang koh kong, li-lun siong, bo jim-ho e bun-ji e-sai piau-ki jim-ho gi-gian, PS: Kan-the-ji kam beh sng si Han-ji???)

Na-si chiau chit-ma e cheng-chhek(bian kong ah, na-si beh teng-thau ka Tai-gi han-ji, Hoa-gi han-ji), Tai-gi (Han-ji)cheng-hong si chin hui-hiam.

Koh lai, si Hoa-gi ti Tai-oan e thong-heng kap li-pian, lan beh ti tang-si eng Tai-gi??? Soan-ki??? Tih-beh bo a lah…

I-siong kam-khai khah choe li-lou, chhiaN pau-ham.

Khai

----- Original Message -----

From: Lau Seng-hian

To: Taigi_Bang

Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 7:38 PM

Subject: Re: Fw: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

但是tsit件代誌kap漢字ê關係tī toh，我就khah無了解。

2009/6/21

Kok-ūi hiaⁿ-ché sī-toā 
pêng-an,

Tùi chit-gê oē-toê chhiáⁿ iông-ún goá 
koh chìn-chi̍t-pō͘ lo-so chi̍t-toāⁿ.

Lán Tâi-oân-oē ū chit-chióng kóng-oē 
ê lâng ēng oē(giân-gú/gí) kho͘ chi̍t-tīn-lâng lâi kap kóng-oē ê tùi-siòng 
hun "lí kah goá", kóng kah chiah-iù ê kóng-oē hong-sek.  Tiong-bûn 
kài-sêng bô?  Nā án-ne, lán nā ūi tio̍h boh kāng Tâi-gí "Hàn-jī-hoà", 
tó͘-kiông ti "goán kah lán" chit-lūi ê jī, kóng sī bó͘ chi̍t-jī 
Hàn-jī.  Tī chi̍t-má lán toā-toā-soè-soà lóng chìm tī Tiong-bûn ê 
khoân-kéng tang-tiong.  Sī-m̄-sī chiong-kui-bé lán khah jio̍k-sè lán-ê 
oē oē bô-khì.  Lán nā bô tiám-tiám-chîn, Hàn-jī-hoà sī-m̄-sī 
oē-sī lēng-goā chi̍t-chióng siau-bia̍t Tâi-gí ê pō͘-sò͘?  
Chhun 我們 kah 咱 sī "hoan-e̍k", kiám-thang kóng-sī "goán kah lán" ê 
"Hàn-jī"?

Phái-sè.  Seng kóng chit-hāng, 
kóng kàu chia.

CKE

----- Original Message ----- 
**From:** 
 
**To:** Taigi_Bang 

**Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:22 PM

**Subject:** Re: [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

Ta̍k-ke Pên-an,

"Goa" sī: chheng-ho͘, piáu-sī kóng-oē 
pún-lâng it-kí(ka-kī) ê ì-sù.  Kan-nā kóng ka-kī chi̍t-gê-lâng niā, ham 
pa̍t-lâng lóng bô tī-tāi.

Goán =  Gún.  Chí-sī 
bô-kâng só͘-chāi bô-kâng ê khiuⁿ-kháu jî-í.  Nā goá bô hut-m̄-tio̍h, 
"goán sī pak-khiuⁿ", "gún sī lâm-khiuⁿ".

"Goán kah gún" sī kóng: 
goá chit-má kóng-oē ê sî ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong 
it-tēng ū goá, m̄-koh choat-tùi bô lí.  Bô chit-má kap goá kóng-oē ê 
lí.  Lí bô sǹg tī lāi-toé.

"Lán" sī 
kóng:  goá chit-má kóng-oē ê 
sî  ūi/oē chi̍t-gê kho͘, hit-gê kho͘ lāi-tiong it-tēng ū goá, 
mā iáu-ū lí.  Ū chit-má tng-teh kap goá kóng-oē ê lí.  Lí sǹg tī 
lāi-toé.

CKE

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  **From:** 
  Bu gi-ian 

  **To:** Lah-jih Siau ; Taigi_Bang 

  **Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 10:23 AM

  **Subject:** [tgb] Re: goa kap goan

  taike pengan 

  1.goan it-poann si u hok-sou e i-ham , tansi chinche taipak 
  lang goa chin-chio tit-chiap kong goa ,  long kong gun

  leju: gun ma-beh khi , gun ma-beh chham-ka , 

  2.bou=sim-pu , goan-bou , goan5 si chi2 goan-tau e sim-pu , tioh-si 
  khiam-chheng goa-e-bou ,  

  3.goan lau-pe ma kang-khoan chi goan-tau e lau-pe , u khiam-i kap 
  chun-tiong e i-ham

  bong chhamkho  bugiian AM 10:22

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    **From:** 
    Lah-jih Siau 

    **To:** Taigi_Bang 

    **Sent:** Saturday, June 20, 2009 7:49 AM

    **Subject:** [tgb] goa kap goan

    Chhiann mng tak-e:

    Taigi goa kap goan(gun) e bo-kang ti 
    to-ui?

    u-lang kong goa si tan-sou, goan si 
    hok-sou,

    goan lau-pe, goan lau-bu, goan 
    a-hiann/che/sio-ti/sio-moai long e-thong, m-koh na kong cho goa lau-pe, 
    goa lau-bu...,si-m-si kam-kak koai-koai?

    ah na-si goan bou kong-cho goa e bou, 
    to na-chhiunn be-thong,

    m-koh goan bou kan-tan 1-e ang, na2 m 
    kong goa bou?

     goa e khoann-hoat 
    si:

    goan u 2-e i-su, 1-e si ''goa'' e 
    hok-sou, 1-e si '' goa e '' e hap-im, anni kong kam-tioh?

    Lah-jih

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～

-- Lau, Seng-hian

～無 koh 在定，ma 無放外外～