Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

From: gugarn.giatou
Date: 2006-10-19 20:25:18

Kok-ui hiann-che si-toa tak-ke ho,

 

Kau-iok-pou eng-kai chin-kin tioh-oe sak TL hou sio-hak-seng.  M-koh ki-tiong u chit-im goa siunn boh ka tak-ke chheng-kau.  Chhiann chi-to!

 

Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

 

"ㄜ","ㄛ" kap "ou" e im, lin thiann-khi-lai kam u sio-siang?

 

Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn long si Tai-oan-oe.

 

"阿哥"

Ti Tai-lam khiunn thak-cho "A-ㄍㄜ". Tioh-bo?

Ti Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai si thak-choe "A-ㄍㄛ".  Kam-m-si?

 

"O" ti bo-kang te-hng sou-chai ma-si "it-hu-it-im" hoat "ㄜ" kah "ㄛ". 

 

"阿姑"

M-koan Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn long si thak-cho "A-kou".  Tioh-m-tioh?

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-lam khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄜ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" kho-leng boe khun-jiau!? (Goa m siong-sin.)

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄛ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" tioh hun boe-chheng loh!

 

Chiu Hoa-gu.  Siat-su "ou" =  "ㄛ":

Seng tah-oe-thau, Hoa-gu "國家" na-si thak-cho "ㄍㄛˊ家" si hoat-im bo-phiau-chun.  Bo ti eng-u-e "ㄨ" hoat-chhut-lai.  M-koh, lan Tai-oan-lang chin-choe lang long an-ne thak.

Lan kong chu2-toe5 "ou" =  "ㄛ", na an-ne "ㄛˊ" tioh si Tai-gu e "湖".  Hoa-gu "國家" tioh oe-sai thak-cho "ㄍ湖 家", thiann--khi-lai kiam-m-si na-chhun-e kong "kou5-a2 e5 chhu3"──"漿糊家".  Sio-hak Hoa-gu lau-su thiann tioh e liah8-kong5!

 

Sou-i "ou" m-si  "ㄛ", "ㄛ" ma-m-si  "ou".  "Ou" si Tai-oan-oe chiah-u e im.

 

Keng-chhiann chham-kho chi-to!  To-sia.

 

Chhoa Kim-eng

Re: RE: [tgb] Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

From: Lim Jukhai 林裕凱
Date: 2006-10-19 21:49:05

Dear Chhoa,

 

ㄍㄨㄛ Taioan-lang chong-si thak-choe “kou”， eng-kai si Taioan-long eng “ou” khi thak ㄨㄛ.

ㄛ e chou-hap khah chio,  ji-chhiann chhut-hian ㄛ e sou-chai it-teng ma e chhut-hian ㄨ, ia tioh-si it-teng si ㄨㄛ.

Ia e-sai kong ㄨㄛsi ui 1 chiong un-bu chou-hap.

 

Lui-su e u ㄨㄥ，goa jin-ui  si Taioan-lang u e ji (m-si choan-pou) eng “ong” lai thak ㄨㄥ.

Mai khoann kap ㄧ ㄩe chou-hap,  e-sai ka chhun e pun-choe u ㄨkap bo ㄨ nng-khoan.  

Tu-liau ㄐ ㄑ ㄒ bo eng-tioh( Che si in-ui kapㄗ ㄘ  ㄙteng-tann) .  ㄅ ㄆ ㄇ ㄈㄕ boe-sai u ㄨkan-na e-sai tit-chiap chiap ㄥ，ki-tha nng-chiong long u .

 

 

 

I-siong chham-kho.

 

Lîm Jūkhái (林裕凱Taigi Unicode)0963-284001

麻豆真理大學 台灣語言學系 助理教授

(O)06-5703100 ext 7623 (台語請使用Taiwnese package)

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:] **On Behalf Of **gugarn.giatou

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:25 PM

To:

Subject: [tgb] Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

 

Kok-ui hiann-che si-toa tak-ke ho,

 

Kau-iok-pou eng-kai chin-kin tioh-oe sak TL hou sio-hak-seng.  M-koh ki-tiong u chit-im goa siunn boh ka tak-ke chheng-kau.  Chhiann chi-to!

 

Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

 

"ㄜ","ㄛ" kap "ou" e im, lin thiann-khi-lai kam u sio-siang?

 

Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn long si Tai-oan-oe.

 

"阿哥"

Ti Tai-lam khiunn thak-cho "A-ㄍㄜ". Tioh-bo?

Ti Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai si thak-choe "A-ㄍㄛ".  Kam-m-si?

 

"O" ti bo-kang te-hng sou-chai ma-si "it-hu-it-im" hoat "ㄜ" kah "ㄛ". 

 

"阿姑"

M-koan Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn long si thak-cho "A-kou".  Tioh-m-tioh?

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-lam khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄜ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" kho-leng boe khun-jiau!? (Goa m siong-sin.)

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄛ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" tioh hun boe-chheng loh!

 

Chiu Hoa-gu.  Siat-su "ou" =  "ㄛ":

Seng tah-oe-thau, Hoa-gu "國家" na-si thak-cho "ㄍㄛˊ家" si hoat-im bo-phiau-chun.  Bo ti eng-u-e "ㄨ" hoat-chhut-lai.  M-koh, lan Tai-oan-lang chin-choe lang long an-ne thak.

Lan kong chu2-toe5 "ou" =  "ㄛ", na an-ne "ㄛˊ" tioh si Tai-gu e "湖".  Hoa-gu "國家" tioh oe-sai thak-cho "ㄍ湖 家", thiann--khi-lai kiam-m-si na-chhun-e kong "kou5-a2 e5 chhu3"──"漿糊家".  Sio-hak Hoa-gu lau-su thiann tioh e liah8-kong5!

 

Sou-i "ou" m-si  "ㄛ", "ㄛ" ma-m-si  "ou".  "Ou" si Tai-oan-oe chiah-u e im.

 

Keng-chhiann chham-kho chi-to!  To-sia.

 

Chhoa Kim-eng   

--

This message has been scanned for viruses and

dangerous content by MailScanner, and is

believed to be clean.

--

This message has been scanned for viruses and

dangerous content by MailScanner, and is

believed to be clean.

Re: RE: [tgb] Re: Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

From: Lim Jukhai 林裕凱
Date: 2006-10-19 22:14:50

Pou-chhiong kiu-cheng:

ㄨㄛ kap ㄛ ma-si nng-chiong long u la.

 

Lîm Jūkhái (林裕凱Taigi Unicode)0963-284001

麻豆真理大學 台灣語言學系 助理教授

(O)06-5703100 ext 7623 (台語請使用Taiwnese package)

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:] **On Behalf Of **Lim Jukhai 林裕凱

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:49 PM

To: 'gugarn.giatou';

Subject: [tgb] Re: Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

 

Dear Chhoa,

 

ㄍㄨㄛ Taioan-lang chong-si thak-choe “kou”， eng-kai si Taioan-long eng “ou” khi thak ㄨㄛ.

ㄛ e chou-hap khah chio,  ji-chhiann chhut-hian ㄛ e sou-chai it-teng ma e chhut-hian ㄨ, ia tioh-si it-teng si ㄨㄛ.

Ia e-sai kong ㄨㄛsi ui 1 chiong un-bu chou-hap.

 

Lui-su e u ㄨㄥ，goa jin-ui  si Taioan-lang u e ji (m-si choan-pou) eng “ong” lai thak ㄨㄥ.

Mai khoann kap ㄧ ㄩe chou-hap,  e-sai ka chhun e pun-choe u ㄨkap bo ㄨ nng-khoan.  

Tu-liau ㄐ ㄑ ㄒ bo eng-tioh( Che si in-ui kapㄗ ㄘ  ㄙteng-tann) .  ㄅ ㄆ ㄇ ㄈㄕ boe-sai u ㄨkan-na e-sai tit-chiap chiap ㄥ，ki-tha nng-chiong long u .

 

 

 

I-siong chham-kho.

 

Lîm Jūkhái (林裕凱Taigi Unicode)0963-284001

麻豆真理大學 台灣語言學系 助理教授

(O)06-5703100 ext 7623 (台語請使用Taiwnese package)

-----Original Message-----

From: [mailto:] **On Behalf Of **gugarn.giatou

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:25 PM

To:

Subject: [tgb] Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

 

Kok-ui hiann-che si-toa tak-ke ho,

 

Kau-iok-pou eng-kai chin-kin tioh-oe sak TL hou sio-hak-seng.  M-koh ki-tiong u chit-im goa siunn boh ka tak-ke chheng-kau.  Chhiann chi-to!

 

Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

 

"ㄜ","ㄛ" kap "ou" e im, lin thiann-khi-lai kam u sio-siang?

 

Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn long si Tai-oan-oe.

 

"阿哥"

Ti Tai-lam khiunn thak-cho "A-ㄍㄜ". Tioh-bo?

Ti Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai si thak-choe "A-ㄍㄛ".  Kam-m-si?

 

"O" ti bo-kang te-hng sou-chai ma-si "it-hu-it-im" hoat "ㄜ" kah "ㄛ". 

 

"阿姑"

M-koan Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn long si thak-cho "A-kou".  Tioh-m-tioh?

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-lam khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄜ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" kho-leng boe khun-jiau!? (Goa m siong-sin.)

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄛ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" tioh hun boe-chheng loh!

 

Chiu Hoa-gu.  Siat-su "ou" =  "ㄛ":

Seng tah-oe-thau, Hoa-gu "國家" na-si thak-cho "ㄍㄛˊ家" si hoat-im bo-phiau-chun.  Bo ti eng-u-e "ㄨ" hoat-chhut-lai.  M-koh, lan Tai-oan-lang chin-choe lang long an-ne thak.

Lan kong chu2-toe5 "ou" =  "ㄛ", na an-ne "ㄛˊ" tioh si Tai-gu e "湖".  Hoa-gu "國家" tioh oe-sai thak-cho "ㄍ湖 家", thiann--khi-lai kiam-m-si na-chhun-e kong "kou5-a2 e5 chhu3"──"漿糊家".  Sio-hak Hoa-gu lau-su thiann tioh e liah8-kong5!

 

Sou-i "ou" m-si  "ㄛ", "ㄛ" ma-m-si  "ou".  "Ou" si Tai-oan-oe chiah-u e im.

 

Keng-chhiann chham-kho chi-to!  To-sia.

 

Chhoa Kim-eng   

 

--

This message has been scanned for viruses and

dangerous content by MailScanner, and is

believed to be clean.

--

This message has been scanned for viruses and

dangerous content by MailScanner, and is

believed to be clean.

--

This message has been scanned for viruses and

dangerous content by MailScanner, and is

believed to be clean.

--

This message has been scanned for viruses and

dangerous content by MailScanner, and is

believed to be clean.

Re: Re: [tgb] Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

From: Kiatgak Lau
Date: 2006-10-20 11:09:10

Kimeng kap Taigubang e hiannche taike ho,

Kimeng thechhut e bunte chin tiongiau, chailai chin che chheh, kauchai, simchi phengim hongan long ouloan sia.

Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

….

Sou-i "ou" m-si  "ㄛ", "ㄛ" ma-m-si  "ou".  "Ou" si Tai-oan-oe chiah-u e im.

Chengkhak.

Pouchhiong,

(1) Kokguhoe kongko e hongan (http://www.edu.tw/EDU_WEB/EDU_MGT/MANDR/EDU6300001/rules/151609.pdf ) khengsit betang kong mtioh, i u chubeng "但是國語與閩南語的語音畢竟不完全相同，因此本欄的用意，只在提供一種對照，方便揣摩學習而已。教學時仍應以IPA為準。" Chit e chukai laite pauham 3 e chin tiongiau e koanliam. Beh kang siaukai TL e si, chhianban mthang ka chit e chukai kalauh--khi.

(2) Na beh eng chuimhuho piautat "ou", engkai eng khokchhiong e huho (Unicode 31A6, http://unicode.org/charts/PDF/U31A0.pdf) chiah thotong. Khia kong,

    IPA [Ɔ] -- TL oo -- <khah sikak e ㄛ, U+31A6>

    IPA [o] -- TL o -- ㄛ

    chukai: Ekangkhiunn koansi ka "o" kong cho [ə].

(3) Khah oancheng e lutsut chhiann chhamkho Tiunn Juhong ks e "Pehoeji kipunlun" 39 iah, 3.2 kap 3.3 e soatbeng. (te 1 phinn ti http://iug.csie.dahan.edu.tw/iug/Ungian/patlang/POJkpl/POJkpl01.htm)

Bong chhamkho.

Kiatgak

2006-10-20

On 10/19/06, gugarn.giatou wrote:

Kok-ui hiann-che si-toa tak-ke ho,

 

Kau-iok-pou eng-kai chin-kin tioh-oe sak TL hou sio-hak-seng.  M-koh ki-tiong u chit-im goa siunn boh ka tak-ke chheng-kau.  Chhiann chi-to!

 

Tai-gu e "ou" kiam-u-iann chin-chiann thak-cho "ㄛ"?

 

"ㄜ","ㄛ" kap "ou" e im, lin thiann-khi-lai kam u sio-siang?

 

Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn long si Tai-oan-oe.

 

"阿哥"

Ti Tai-lam khiunn thak-cho "A-ㄍㄜ". Tioh-bo?

Ti Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai si thak-choe "A-ㄍㄛ".  Kam-m-si?

 

"O" ti bo-kang te-hng sou-chai ma-si "it-hu-it-im" hoat "ㄜ" kah "ㄛ". 

 

"阿姑"

M-koan Tai-lam khiunn, Tai-pak, Phinn-ou khiunn long si thak-cho "A-kou".  Tioh-m-tioh?

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-lam khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄜ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" kho-leng boe khun-jiau!? (Goa m siong-sin.)

 

Chiu Tai-gu.  Siat-su "ㄛ" =  "ou":

Ti kong Tai-pak khiunn, Phinn-ou khiunn e sou-chai, tui lang kong "阿哥A-ㄍㄛ" kah "阿姑(A-kou) kong cho A-ㄍㄛ" tioh hun boe-chheng loh!

 

Chiu Hoa-gu.  Siat-su "ou" =  "ㄛ":

Seng tah-oe-thau, Hoa-gu "國家" na-si thak-cho "ㄍㄛˊ家" si hoat-im bo-phiau-chun.  Bo ti eng-u-e "ㄨ" hoat-chhut-lai.  M-koh, lan Tai-oan-lang chin-choe lang long an-ne thak.

Lan kong chu2-toe5 "ou" =  "ㄛ", na an-ne "ㄛˊ" tioh si Tai-gu e "湖".  Hoa-gu "國家" tioh oe-sai thak-cho "ㄍ湖 家", thiann--khi-lai kiam-m-si na-chhun-e kong "kou5-a2 e5 chhu3"──"漿糊家".  Sio-hak Hoa-gu lau-su thiann tioh e liah8-kong5!

 

Sou-i "ou" m-si  "ㄛ", "ㄛ" ma-m-si  "ou".  "Ou" si Tai-oan-oe chiah-u e im.

 

Keng-chhiann chham-kho chi-to!  To-sia.

 

Chhoa Kim-eng