Re: to7 ? toh8 ?

2003-07-01

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----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; '�剖像瘝�' ; 'Li khinhoann' ; ['KhinhoaN Li'](https://web.archive.org/web/20060117073916/mailto: "") Sent: Monday, July 07, 2003 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ?
Si-chong hiaN, "To7" u "po3-to7", "to7-lou7", "kiong5-to7" teng-teng e eng-hoat. M-koh chiah-e �to7� ti Tai-gi lai-te long ai kah pat8-e morpheme kap cho-hoe chiah e-tang chiaN5 cho chit8-e �word�. Lan bo tan-tok ka ��, �� tong3 cho word lai iong..e. Bo koan2 in ti hian-tai e Hoa-gi lai-te si m-si word, huiN-tit ti Tai-gi lai-te in si �bound forms�. Sou-i be7 kah �li2 khi3# to7 ho2� e �to7� sio-lam7. Lan iau-koh si ai3 tng2-lai to2-chit-e khah ho2 hun-piat i3-su3 chit-e chan5-bin7 lai khoaN3 chiah tioh. Tioh8! Chan-seng.. Lip-bun (Goa kah Babuza hiaN kang-khoan, m-bat kong koe �chiu7�, ma m-bat thiaN goan lau-bu an-ne su-iong koe �chiu7�. Na-chun lan long bo-lang an-nekong, lan to e-tang kong chit-e �chiu7� m-si Tai-gi.) Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
From: keith cheng [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 12:28 PM
To: �剖像瘝�; levin; 'Hak-khiam'; 'Li khinhoann'; 'Taigu Group'; 'KhinhoaN Li'
Subject: Re: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ? Lahjih hiaN: Goa bo siaN2 chheng-chho li2 kong e i3-su3. (1)Lam-pou-lang tio7 kap tioh8 hun be chheng-chho. Goa si Pin-tong-lang bat ti Tailam, Kohiong long toa chiok ku. "Tio7" si peN5-siaN, ke7-siaN, im-tit(�喳�) sia-cho 33. "Tioh8" si koan5 e5 jip-siaN, im-tit sia-cho (5.). 2-e bo-kang. Li kong e lam-pou-lang khiong-kiaN si Tiong-pou-lang chiah tioh. Taitiong Maryknoll e lau-su, tio7 kap tioh8 long si peN5 siaN. (2)Tioh8/tio7 cho lian-chap-su e si5, m-bat tan-tok su-iong, ia be-sai he ti ku3-boe2, long si eng pian-tiau. Pian-tiau i-au long chiap-kin te-3 siaN. Lan an-choaN e-sai khak-teng chit-e si-chun si si "tio7" m-si "tioh8". Chit-e bun-te, goa e siuN-hoat kap Kiatgak kang-khoan. Te-8 siaN e pian-tiau eng-kai pi2 te-7 siaN e pian-tiau khah te2 chiah tioh. (jip-siaN pian jip-siaN). Eng-kai ai eng nng-the(gi-khi) lai chhek, khoaN3 si te-8 siaN e pian-tiau, a-si te-7 isaN e pian-tiau. An-ne chiah u hoattou khak-jin si "tioh8" a-si "tio7". (3)"Tioh8" u chit-khoan2 i-su3(eng-hoat) si teh hun-piat kheng-teng/bo kheng-teng, su-iau3/bo su-iau. "Tio7" u bo tiaN7-tioh8, thiau3-lai thiau3-khi, chhin-chhiuN "khok-khok-tio7", ia-u "peh8-tio7" e eng-hoat. "To7" u "po3-to7", "to7-lou7", "kiong5-to7" teng-teng e eng-hoat. Chiah-e chap-chap tih-tih e eng-hoat, bo eng-kai hou lan theh-lai cho3 hou2-teng in u7 chiu7/tioh8/tio7/to7 e eng-hoat. Lan iau-koh si ai3 tng2-lai to2-chit-e khah ho2 hun-piat i3-su3 chit-e chan5-bin7 lai khoaN3 chiah tioh. I-siong Sichong

----- Original Message ----- From: �剖像瘝� ; levin ; 'Li khinhoann' ; ['KhinhoaN Li'](https://web.archive.org/web/20060117073916/mailto: "") Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ? Tak-e ho: tioh8 kap tio7/to7/chiu7 e i3-su3 : tioh8: si hun si7-hui tioh8-m7-tioh8 .ah-si hun-piat kheng-teng bo-kheng-teng e su-iau3 kap bo5-su-iau3 . tio7 /to7 kap hoa-gi tit-hoan e chiu7 kang7 i3-su3 ,si hi-su5 ?lian5-chiap-su5?(che goa iau be-hiau chin cheng-khak e hun-piat) kap tioh8 si bo-kang i3-su3 . toh8,goa kan-na u hoe2 leh toh8 1 e i3-su3 nia5 ,kap tioh8 lian5 be-khi-lai . le7: an-ni kong2 m7-tioh8. goa kam tioh8-khi3? Li khi3 tio7/to7/chiu7 ho2 . Li kong2 tioh8-khi3 goa2 tio7/to7/chiu7 khi3. leng-goa ,lam-pou-im kap pak-pou-im ma bo-kang: goa seN3 Tio7 頞tioh� iah m-tioh8?lam-pou-im Tio7/tioh8 bo5-hun ( hu be7 chheng-chho2);pak-pou-im tio7 hun kah chheng-chheng-chho2-chho2 . i-siong si goa e kam-kak . Lah-jih

----- Original Message ----- From: keith cheng ; 'Hak-khiam' ; 'Taigu Group' Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 1:20 AM Subject: Re: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ? Kok-ui hiaN-che: Chiu7/tioh8/toh8/tio7/to7 chit-e bun-te, e-sai hou 2-ui Taigi gigian hak-ka ka lan chhut chiah-che i-kian, goa kamkak chin hoaN-hi. Lan Taibubang chin-chiaN su-iau chhin-chhiuN an-ne chit-khoan tho-lun, e-sai hou Tai-gi bun-ji-hoa e kang-theng koh khah chin-pou. Na e-sai kong "toh8", "to7" 2-ji long2 tui3 "tioh8" lai5-e5, an-ne eng7 "tioh8" cho3 piau-chun-hoa3 e "tioh8=chiu7" kame khah ho2? ChhiaN khoaN e-kha kui-ku "goa khoaN-tioh i, hoe to7 toh8"(Hakkhiam e ku3), "goa khoaN-tioh i hoe toh8 toh8" bo li-siong, eng "goa khoaN-tioh i hoe tioh8 toh8" siong chheng-chho. Leng-goa "goa khoaN-tioh to7--e5(to7-su), hoe2 tioh8 toh8", na eng "goa khoaN-tioh to7--e5, hoe2 to7 toh8" khah ka7-chih8. Beh an-choaN soan-tek piau-chun-hoa e sia-hoat, sit-chai si chin khun-lan, m-koh si chin iau-kin e khang-khoe. E-chit-tiuN e-mail si goa cheng-li e Tai-gi-bun piau-chun-hoa e taskforce. ChhiaN tai-ke ti chit hong-bin tau3 chan-chou, gian-kiu. To-sia. Sichong ----- Original Message -----

From: levin ; 'Li khinhoann' ; ['KhinhoaN Li'](https://web.archive.org/web/20060117073916/mailto: "") Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: RE: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ? Tak-ke ho, Chit-kui-kang cham-jian bo-eng, long be7 hu3 khoaN phoe. E-kha kong..e na7 tak-ke tho-lun--koe..a, chhiaN goan-liong. Goa chan-seng Hak-khiam hiaN e i-kian, ka sia cho �to7�eng-kai e khah-ho-se--li-iu: chiaN che lang long i-keng koan-si an-ne sia2, ui orthography e khak-tou khoaN, ma khah-ho kah pat8-e su5 hun-piat. Khin-hoaNhiaN kong Kam Ji-tian lai-te �to7� u ji-chap-kui-e, goa kiaN chit-tio. Kin-a-jit beh chhut-mng chin-cheng kin2 ka ji-tian chhoe chhut-lai peng--chit-e. Kiat-ko, goa hoat-kak, tu5-liau2 �chui2-to7-chui2�, �to7-tek4� chit-e morpheme �to7�, khi-thaN..e goa long m-bat. Na chiah-e �to7� lan Tai-gi lai-te khak-sit long u leh iong, in ma long si �bound form�, be-tang tan-tok su-iong, chiaN cho chit8-e �word�. Khi-be goa ka-ti san-chhiah e Tai-gi si an-ne. Na si an-ne, to bo kho-leng kah �to7� 瘛瑟�..a. (Tong-jian, m-si kong 瑽�chit8-e word e sou-u im-chat iah si morphemes it-teng long ai lian5-sia2 cho-hoe. M-koh che si e-tang chham-kho e cho-hoat. Leng-goa chit7-hong-bin, tong-jian, chit-e �to7� ma si bo-hoat-tou tan-tok chhut-hian, m-koh goa siuN lan long e7 jin-ui i si �free form�.) Sin-soa kong--chit-e: Kam Ji-tian lai-te e �to7� kho-leng bo kau3 ji-chap-e, in-ui chin-che long si �摮�啣耦ah-si kong kang7-�morpheme� bo kang-ji7. Kam Ji-tian hit-nng-e �toh8�, ki-sit ma si kang chit8-e word: long si �toh8 hoe2� e �toh8�. Khin-hoaNhiaN kong liau tioh8: �to7� khiong-kiaN si �to-thau-seN�..lai..e. M-koh i bo kho-leng chhut-hian ti�交�, lan sit-chai chiaN phaiN chai-iaN i-e pun-tiau si te-8 ah si te-7-siaN. Goa iau bo khi peng khah-cha e su-tian/ji-tian, m-chai u chit-e �to7/toh8�--bou. SiuN beh sin-soa the chhut chit8-e gi-bun: chit-e �to7/toh8� kiam-chhai si lan Tai-gi chiah u..e, pat-sou-chai e Ho-lo-oe bo5? ChhiaN chi-kau. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Hak-khiam
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:05 PM
To: levin; 'Li khinhoann'; Taigu Group; KhinhoaN Li
Subject: Re: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ? Tak-ke ho: Goa khah han-tit khoaN lang sia "toh8" lai piau-si "chiu7" e i-su, tai-pou-hun khoaN tioh e si "to7". Goa iong Un-gian hiaN e concordancer khi chha "toh8" kah "to7", kiat-koto7 u 511 e le, iong "toh8" e kan-ta 135 e le, ki-tiong khah che long-si iong ti hoe teh toh8 e "toh8". http://203.64.42.21/TG/guliaukhou/ Sia "toh8" ah-si "to7" pian-tiau liau-au to long kang-khoan si te 3 siaN. Goa siuN beh sia LMJ e si-chun khah tiong-iau e kho-lu si beh an-choaN hou i i-su khah beng leh, goa kam-kak sia "to7" khah iong-i kah "hoe teh toh8" e "toh8" hun-khui. Phi-ju-kong na beh sia"goa khoaN-tioh i hoe chiu7 toh8." sia cho "goa khoaN-tioh i hoe to7 toh8." e pi "goa khoaN-tioh i hoe toh8 toh8" khah chheng-chho. Goa kong LMJ chui an-choaN-kong tioh an-choaN sia chu-iau si kah HJ pi-kau, LMJ khah iong-i piau-si khau-im, HJ hit ji "tioh8" chit e ji kui-a-e im kah i-su, bo chhiuN LMJ hiah-nih chheng-chho piau-im. Piau-chun-hoa tong-jian tiong-iau, tak-ke thak-sia e it-ti thak-sia long hong-pian. M-koh piau-chun-hoa ma m-bian ta- siuN-nge, ke-kiam hoan-eng sit-che e khau-im e-tang hou thak-chia ke-kiam liau-kai chok-chia e poe-keng. U-tang-si-a bo piau-chun-hoa tian-to khah u tng-seh e kong-kan u khah-che hong-keh thang-ho piau-tat. Tui goa lai-kong goa na teh sia khah cheng-sek e mih-kiaN goa e iong "tioh8", sia khah khau-gi khah hui-cheng-sek e mih-kiaN sia "to7". Goa teh su-iong "kap" & "kah" ma-si an-ne, goa kam-kak gi-im jiok-hoa e gu-su si khah khau-gi e, goan-te e gi-im khah siok-ti su-bin-gi. I-siong. Hak-khiam

----- Original Message ----- From: KhinhoaN Li ; levin ; [Taigu Group](https://web.archive.org/web/20060117073916/mailto: "") Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ? Hak-khiam kap Tak-e ho:

Hak-khiam ki IuN Siu-hong k.s. e le chin sim-sek, ka-su IuN kau-siu e gian-kiu na-si tioh e, an-ne e-sai iong lai cho m-thang iong Han-ji su-siae le. In-ui sia lai sia khi long si kang 1 ji Han-ji. Put-ko beh kong chia e pun-ji long-si kang 1 e, goa khoaN bo to-li. "Ti7" si lek-su gi-gian hak-ka (Reid, Paul Li etc) long jin-ui si Lam-to-gi e lai-goan. Goa chhiu-tiong e Siraya Seng-keng kap Sin-kang bun-su e "hoan-a-khe" lai-te ma-si kap Holo oe kan-khoan, khong-kan kap si-kan e kai-su (preposition) long si ti7. Chiau-kong kai-su ti gi-su i-chioh (borrowing) lai-te si chin bo kho-leng i-chioh e, sou-i goa chin hoai-i Ho-lo-oe u kho-leng goan-pun m-si Han-gi. Au-lai pian-cho Han-gi si Han-hoa e kiat-ko.

Lan m-si teh tho-lun Han-ji e pun-ji. Lan si teh tho-lun na-si beh sia hou piau-chun-hoa (it-ti) eng-kai sia-cho an-choaN khah ho. Hak-khiam kong sia LMJ e ho-chhu chiu-si kong an-choaN kong chiu sia an-choaN, che goa bo tong-i. Te 1, lanm-si sia pian-tiau, lan si sia pun-tiau, sou-i ai chai-iaN pun-tiau si sim-mih. Pi-ju "An-ne sia2 to3 ho2" chit ku, lan m-si sia-cho an-ne, lan ai chai-iaN si sia cho "An-ne sia2 to7 ho2" iah-si "An-ne sia2 toh8 ho2". Te 2, lan su-iau piau-chun-hoa, sia hou it-ti, lan si teh sia bun-ji, m-si teh hou-im nia. Pi-ju-kong, goan Tai-lam lang u "oN" e khiuN-khau, "siuN" goan kong "sioN", "chhiuN" goan kong "chhioN" etc. Put-ko goa m-bat khi sia chit-e khiuN-khau, in-ui bun-ji su-iau piau-chun-hoa. Goa beh chin-liong chiau u piau-chun-hoa e ji-tian lai sia.

Lan koh tng-lai Tioh8 kap Chiu7.

Chiau Tai-hak Tai-gi Bun-soan p. 421 sou liat, si ka chit 2 e hun-khui. Sou-i e-tang khoaN-chhut in jiok-hoa e im-pian si an-choaN lai:

Tioh8>toh8
Chiu7>tio7>to7

An-ne chin-chiaN u 5 e variations.

Chiu7 pian-cho tio7 koh pian-cho to7 m-si bo kho-leng ("chhit-tho" kap "thi-tho" e hong-gian-chha cheng-beng [ch] kap [t] si u-kho-leng e im-pian), tan-si chiok bian-kiong.
Chin-che lang long jin-ui tio7/to7 si ui tioh8/toh8 lai. Goa si teh kong na an-ne siuN si "to3-thau5-seN" chiah u kho-leng.

5 e sit-chai u khah che. Na-si hou chhun 2 (chiu7 kap tioh8) e kho-leng siong ho, na bo, it-teng ai iong te 3 e, mai iong to7, iong toh8 khah hap-li. "To7" Kam-ji-tian liat 20 kui e ji-tiau, lai-te ma iau boto7 si chiu7/tioh8 chit e iong-hoat.

Goa ma-si longiong to7, kau choe-kin chiah kam-kak to7 u bun-te, khai-si siuN chit-e bun-te, khai-si iong toh8 tai-the to7. Ma m-kaN kong an-ne khah ho, iah-si khah tioh. Chi-si theh-chhut-lai hou tai-ke chham-kho. Lan na beh ai POJ piau-chun-hoa kho-leng teh siae si ai khah sim-tiong, chin-liong ai u kun-ku.

peng-an,
khinhoaN

At 09:38 AM 2003/7/2 +0800, Hak-khiam wrote:

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Tak-ke ho:

Goa e ki-tit IuN Siu-hong k.s. bat sia chit phiN bun-chiuN kong 繕� chit e Han-jiti Tai-gi lai-te u kui-a-chiong i-su:

1. toh8: hoe teh toh8
2. teh: i teh chiah-png
3. ti7: goa toa ti Ka-gi
4. tiau5: lian-a tiau ti chui-kau-a
5. le0: koai-koai che le
6. …iau-koh u m-koh goa be-ki-tit a.

to7, toh8 eng-kai si "tioh8" 繕� gi-im jiok-hoa e kiat-ko.
Goa kam-kak pun-te u gi-goan koan-he e ji, na u su-iau
ma-si ai sia cho bo-kang khah iong-i pian-jin. Na bo
瞻繭繕�繕�繕� si "hoe ti leh toh" ah-si "hoe toh-toh-toh"?

Pun-ji bo it-teng e-tang hou lang chiap-siu, c.c. "e7" 癒]繚|癒B簪� 簞繩癒^
e pun-ji si 癒禮繡�癒穡癒B m-si癒禮繚|癒穡. M-koh sia Tai-gi e si-chun na ka
e sia cho "繡�" tioh kai ki-koai, sia LMJ e ho-chhu tioh-si m-bian siuN
ai iong to chit ji Han-ji,ka gi-im piau-si chhut-laito tioh a.

Hak-khiam

----- Original Message -----
From: levin
To: 'Li khinhoann' ;
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 1:50 AM
Subject: RE: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ?

Khin-hoaN hiaN, tak-ke ho,

Goa tui che bo gian-kiu, ki-sit si mai ke kong-oe khah-ho.

Boh-kioh-kong chhiu-thau bo Khin-hoaN hiaN kong--tioh e chit-3-pun ji-tian/su-tian. (Goa chiap kah sia e-mail long ti kong-si, chheh long ti chhu..nih.)

Chong--si ti chia the chhut kui-e bun-te, chhiaN tak-ke chi-kau:

1) Douglas hit-e le7 kam2 thang jin7 cho kang-chit8-e 癒禮tioh8/tio7/toh8/to7癒穡? Goa u chit-e gi-bun.

2) Lan e-tangui3 Orthography (cheng3-ji7-hoat4) e kak-tou teng-sin lai chhu-li chit-e bun-te--bou?

Chhin-chhiuN kong ui-tioh mai kah 癒禮toh8 hoe2癒穡 e 癒禮toh8癒穡, 癒禮tioh8 m7-tioh8癒穡 chham 癒禮li2 tioh8 kin2 lai5癒穡, 癒禮tioh8 ai3 an2-choaN2癒穡 e 癒禮tioh8癒穡 sio-lam7, lan e-tang ka7 kap 癒禮chiu7癒穡 kho-leng u sim-mih su5-goan5 koan-he7 (khi-be u sio-siang e bun5-hoat4 kong-leng5) e chit-e su5 sia2 cho 癒禮tio7/to7癒穡--bou?

Lan kam2 it-teng ai chun-chiau (kho-pi kong) Tai-Jit Toa Su-tian e 癒禮cheng3-ji7-hoat4癒穡?

3)Ti7 chia, lan kam u hoat-tou khak-teng i-e pun-tiau si 癒禮toh8癒穡 ah si 癒禮to7癒穡--leh?

4) Orthography kap su5-goan5 (etymology) ai po-chhi sim-mih koan-he?

Lou-lat.

Lip-bun

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Li khinhoann
Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 11:20 PM
To:
Cc:
Subject: [TGB] to7 ? toh8 ?

Tak-e ho:

Kap chiu7/tioh8 kang ji-goan, kang i-su, kang iong-hoat e leng-goa chit-e variation lan chin che lang long sia-cho to7 m-si sia-cho toh8.

Pi-ju:

Hit e lang Toh8-si7 goa lah.

pian-tiau liau-au kong-cho: To3-si3 goa lah.

Sou-i chin che lang liah-chun i e pun-tiau eng-kai si To7, in-ui To7 ma-si e pian-cho to3.

Tai-jit Toa Su-tian si kong an-ne. Toh8=tioh8.

Douglas e E-Eng Toa Su-tian ma kong an-ne. M7-toh8-khi3=M7-tioh8-khi3.(p.525)

Kam Ji-tian (E-mng-im Sin Ji-tian) ma-si an-ne (p. 719)

Houtak-e cho chham-kho.

peng-an,

khinhoaN

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