Re: nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

2003-07-23

Tai-ke, peng-an TJTST lai-te bo "baN" lap "laN". Hou tai-ke chham-kho. Chuniok

** _keith cheng _** wrote:

Hak-khiam:
Beh chheng-kau chu2-im "b" vs "m", "g" vs "ng", l" vs "n" e bun-te.
Chiau goa sou chai, bo2-im si sang3-khui3, bo chou2-tong3. Chu2-im si eng
khau2-khiong a2-si7 siaN-mng5 lai-bin chiong2-chiong2 e kiat-kou3 lai
chou2-tong3.
Na-chun si an-ne, "b" kap "m" 2-e chu2-im chou2-tong3 e ui3-ti3 eng-kai bo
kang7.
Tong-jian "ba" kap "ma" bo kang.
Na7 "ba" vs "baN" si chiong7 "a" pian3-cho3 phiN-im hoa3 "aN", chou2-tong3 e
hong-sek iau-ku si "b".
Na7 "baN" vs "ma": 2-im chho2-chho2--a liam--khi-lai na2-chhiuN7 si
kang-khoan, m-koh hoat-im chou2-tong3 e ui3-ti3 chit-e si "b", chit-e si
"ma" iau-ioh si u chha.
Teng-bin e hun-sek si chiau3 gi-im pun-sin lai-kong.

Na si gi2-i3, Taigi bo tek-piat ka "ma" kap "baN" cho khu-piat.
Ki-tha u phiN-bo-im e gigian chhin-chhiuN Hoat-gi, to u khu-piat. Hoat-im
bo-kang, piau1-chu3-im-hoat bo! -kang, i3-gi ia bo-kang.
M-chai kang-khoan u phiN-bo-im e Oat-lam-gi an-choaN, chhiaN Ui-bun hiaN
chi2-cheng3.

Tosia.

Sichong

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hak-khiam"
To: "" ; "èå¹³æ²»" ;
"keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Goa kong liau chin thiu-hiong, kho-leng bo ho liau-kai.
Iong le lai kong hoan-se khah chheng-chho.

bi7 biN7 mi7
ga5 gaN5 nga5
la7 laN7 na7

Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo phiN-im e
bo-kang.
biN kah mi si kang-khoan e.

Hak-khiam

----- Original Message -----
From:
To: Hak-khiam ; èå¹³æ²» ; keith
cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net)
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na

ka

lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e
siaN-bo.

"p, ph", "t, th", "k, kh", "ch, chh" si sikan e pianthe. "leng siaNbo"
si
bo
siaNbo.

Ka chit 5 e khautiau, Taigi kanna chhun 10 e siaNbo.

[b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo
$8-5;s$F
C}
tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] .

Anni si tianto thau kong. KhoaN Sichong thehkiong e le to chaiiaN, "b,
l,
g"
be piancho "m, n, ng".

"banc"(i2-liau5 e i3-su3) hoat-im chiap-kin Taigi e "baN"
"long"(tng5 e i-su) hoat-im si "loN"
"gond" (mng5 e au1-liu2) hoat-im si "goN"

Susit engkai si Taigi e hoatim si "m-, n-, ng-", u lang ka i siacho
"b-N,
l-N, g-N".

Lenggoa, "l" phiNimhoa ma msi "n".

[m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .

???

"ma" e hoatim be piancho "ba iah baN", "na" ma be piancho "la iah laN",
"ga"
ma be piancho "nga iah gaN".

Kijian Chan Kimkim ks u eng gikhi pong--koe, chengau hoatim u khupiat
engkai
si bo siaN bunte.

Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, ! g, u phiN-im tioh iong m,
n,
ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im
"aN",
in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.

Che si POJ susia Holooe e kuichek (koansi), msi hoatim e kuichek.
Pitkeng
"ma, maN, baN" iausi bo kang e hoatim.

ChhiaN chikau.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hak-khiam"
To: "?=%-*v" ; ""
;
"keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Tak-ke ho:

[b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian! -the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2 chou im na
ka
lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui tioh u 18 e
siaN-bo.

[b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa un-bo
$8-5;s$FC}
tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . biN7= mi7, [b] in-ui au-piah
phiN-im e eng-hiong chu-jian e pian-cho [m].

[m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN un-bo
chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .

Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh iong m,
n,
ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u phiN-im
"aN",
in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.

Hak-khiam

----- Original Message -----
From: ?=%-*v
&! gt; To: ; keith cheng
; Taigu (Taiwanese Net)
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Tak-e pengan:
POJ e siat-ke kan-na u ma na nga ,bo baN laN gaN .
baN laN gaN eng-kai si ui Sip-ngou-im (Lui-im po-kam )lai--e ,15 im
liu
pian
kiu khi te pho tha cheng jip si ….,long-chong chiah 15 e siaN-bo ,I
ka
b
ke N tong-cho ma,ka l ke N tong-cho na,ka g ke N tong-cho nga .
Lah-jih
----- Original Message -----
From: ""
To: "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"

Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 ! 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

1. Gigian e bunte chiaN che long si soantekseng--e (soan 1 hang,
taike
koansi i-au to chiau leh eng).

2. Kijian "m-", "n-", "ng-" eng chiah ku--a, ma bo simmih toa bunte,
sitchai
bo pitiau koh siacho "b-N", "l-N", "g-N".

3. POJ beh piauchunhoa, bunji sitchai bo pitiau hoaneng khauim e
siokhoa
chengchha.

4. Chiau itpoaN e goanchek, isu na bo chengchha kinpun bo pitiau ti
subingi
cho khupiat. (chai lang thak, thiaN u to ho) ChhiuN "tsa" siacho
"cha"
to
ho.

5. Kong "ma = baN", "na = laN! ", "nga = gaN" sitchai u bunte, he si
bo
kangkhoaN e im, betang kong in siosiang (beh to kong in si siooa e
im).

6. Taigi sitche e hoatim engkai si "maN", "naN", "ngaN" (kui e
imchat
long
phiNimhoa).

Isiong si goa chu-i chit e bunte chiaN ku i-au e chitkoa kiatlun,
chhiaN
taike chhamkho. Ma ngbang na u pian kauchai e lang, mthang hou
thokchia
chhongou e koanliam. Loulat.

Kiatgak

----- Original Message -----
From: "keith cheng"
To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:47 PM
Subject: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

Kok-ui hiaN-che:

Khan-siap tioh POJ/TOJ e piau-chun-hoa chit-e issue, u chit-e
bun-te
beh
chheng-kau tai-ke.

Chin-che lang(pau-koat choe-kin Hongtin che e LMJ powerpoint
kau-chai),
long
ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si kang-khoan. Chit-e
bun-te
chin3-cheng u Hokchu, Lah-jih, Kiat-gak hiaN ia bat the-chhut
i-kian.

Chit-khoan "issue" ki-sit ti u "phiN-bo-im" e gi-gian long u,
chhin-chhiuN
Hoat-gi. M-koh Hoat-gi e chit-2-chou, u-e u gi2-i3 e cheng-chha.
Tai-gi
chit-e-chou gi-i kho-leng bo chengchha(?bo khak-teng), m-koh ti
piau-chun-hoa e lip-tiuN iau-ku si ai soan-tek chit-chiong lai
eng.

Eng2-pai bat chheng-kau koe Khin-hoaN hiaN, u kong-khi "nga" kap
"gaN",
"na"
kap "laN", "ma" kap "baN" hoat-im siong si bo kang--e. Chha-piat
si
chit-khai-si e hoat-im ui7-ti3 bo kang.
"nga" tui "ng" e ui-ti khai-si. "gaN" tui "g" e ui-ti khai-si,
etc.
Chiau goa e hoat-im, "nga2-khi3" chiah tioh, m-si "gaN2-khi3",
etc.

Leng-goa Khin-hoaN hiaN ia u the-khi Chan Kim-kim ks. bat ti
Hawaii
Taihak
eng ki-khi chhek-koe, tek-khak si "nga" m-si "gaN".

I-siong
! ; Sichong

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