taigu "Hokkchu"

taigu "Hokkchu" 
Dear Jason,
CTT!
I 100% agree with Lip-bun hiann.
It's Han people that looked down upon on others, including the Europeans.
"Only Hans are human, others are animals!"
Perhaps it's beyond your imagiantion such things ever exit.
It's true.
When the Han people came to Tai-oan to make a living some 400 years ago,
they deemed Tai-oan-lang as animals.
"Man comes to animal kingdom to make a living."
That's their mentality.
"Mental deficit" is the medical terms.
It still exits today.
That's why we use LMJ as TOJ(Tai-oan-ji) instead of Han character.
Get it?

'Convention' implies something negative, isn't it?
I don't like it.
How about 'traditional'?
Gee, it's Greek to me!
Babuza



----- Original Message -----
From: levin 
To: Jason Cox 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: 敹蝬/ Heart Sutra


> taigu "levin" 
>
> taigu "levin" 
> Dear Jason,
>
> You are right. It's a convention. But, for me, it's a strange convention.
>
> When I was a student, I heard from a Latin professor, who is Spanish, that
> there are many ways of reading Latin, eg., Spanish way, French way, German
> way, Italian way. Is it so?
> Maybe we can also say that there are many ways to read "wen-yan-wen". And
> the "thak-chheh-im" I mentioned is the way Ho-lo-lang read it.
>
> But, in a way, this way of reading "wen-yan-wen" is a process of
> Sinicizing/Mandarinizing Ho-lo.
> And the ability to read "wen-yan-wen" this way has been regarded as a
talent
> showing somebody's degree of "education" or "civiliaztion". If you cannot
> read Han characters this way, you are treated as "illiterate", and your
> language is ragarded as "vulgar'. I heard that somebody even treats
> "cha-pou" and "cha-bou" as "vulgar", and they use instead "lam--e" and
> "lu--e".
> Honestly, I detest the value reflected by this phenomenon.
>
> Of course, my value can be ignored.
> But my opinion is that we'd better not to encourage this process of
> confusing the Ho-lo language system.
> Today, in Taiwan, there are still many institutes and teachers who are so
> eager to teach young pupils to study this way of reading "wen-yan-wen". I
> don't think it will do any good to the revival, revitalization, and
> development of Ho-lo or Taiwanese.
> My opnion is that we should leave it to the "priests". And the Taiwanese
or
> Ho-lo-oe is already Sinicized/Mandarinized enough.
>
> Best,
> Lip-bun
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jason Cox 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: 敹蝬/ Heart Sutra
>
>
> > taigu "Jason Cox" 
> >
> > taigu "Jason Cox" 
> > Lip-bun hiann,
> >
> > You are obviously right about one thing-- the Taigu reading of the heart
> > sutra is not colloquial speech, is not Taigu grammer, Taigu syntax, even
> > normal Taigu vocabulary.
> >
> > But basically, some of this early Buddhist literature is semi-classical
> > (wen-yan-wen) and doesn't belong to one dialect in particular.
Naturally,
> > like many religions appealing to the common masses, the Buddhist
> translators
> > also threw in some region's colloquial vocabulary.
> >
> > And when the sutra is chanted at a temple, especially a temple in
Taiwan,
> an
> > untranslated version is frequently read outloud in Taiwanese (or so I
have
> > been told). This may not be the most effective way of reading it, this
> may
> > not be the best-sounding way, but it is convention.
> >
> > --Jason
> >
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