Title: Message M-chai u lang siuN koe kau-iok e bun-te bo? Ka-su kang-khoan e su u chiaN che chiong sia-hoat / spelling, an-ne beh oh8 Tai-gi e lang, tek-piat si goa-kok-lang, m thak kah hoe-sa-sa sa long bo? Chit-ma ti Harvard teh thak Tai-gi e peng-iu ka goa kong, in long kam-kak chiok phiaN thak e; bo piau-chun-hoa sit-chai si chit e bun-te. Goa jim-ui ti bun-ji lai-te m-bian ke-kau tak-hang bo kang-khoan e hoat-im long pau-khoa, chhiuN Eng-gi e hoat-im kui-a pah chiong (Bi-kok pun-tho toh u hun chiok che khiuN-khau, koh chham Eng-kok, Au-chiu, teng-teng)…tan-si spelling long ma kang-khoan. kai-teng

-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Bongpo
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:19 AM
To: levin; 'khinhoan'; ; ;
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Subject: Re: [TGB] TOJ/POJ phiau-chun-hoa e the-gi (kam-kak vs. kam-kah)

Lipbun hiaN: chhiaN khoaN….

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; 'khinhoan' ; Cc: [](https://web.archive.org/web/20060117100416/mailto: "") Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: RE: [TGB] TOJ/POJ phiau-chun-hoa e the-gi (kam-kak vs. kam-kah)
ChhiaN khoaN e-bin. -----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Tekhoa
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:14 PM
To: levin; 'khinhoan'; ; ;
Cc:
Subject: Re: [TGB] TOJ/POJ phiau-chun-hoa e the-gi (kam-kak vs. kam-kah) Lipbun hiaN: 1. phaiNse, sia siuN kin, "tap-eng" kap "tap-an" chit e le bo ho. goa chu-iau beh kong--e si, chhiuN "tap-eng" kap "hoe-tap" e "tap/tah" si kang 1 e su/ji, su-bin-gi ai sia cho kang-khoan kam etang jinteng si 1 e goan-chek? Goa na7 bo thak8 taN5 li-e i3-su3, li chim-a si hou Han-ji sok-pak tiau5..leh. Chai goa khoaN, âtah-engâ, âtap-anâ, kah âhoe-tapâ long bu kang5, m-si kang-chit8-e su, ma bo kang-ji bo kang-ji e bun-te. goa mng koe kui-na e lang, khaksit ma u lang thak-cho "tah-an". 2. beh tholun su-bin-gi e si, goa jinui ai ka "gi-gian" ham "bun-ji" 2 e chan-chhu e bunte thiah-khui tholun. mkoh "bunji" si hok-bu "gi-gian" si tiong-iau e goan-chek, msi beh eng "bunji" lai kaipian "gi-gian". Su-bin-gi kah khau-gi tong-jian e7 bo kang-khoan. Su-bin-gi thong-siong e7 khah-ârefinedâ, chhiaN-kek hou khah-sui-khui, khah-cheng-bit, khah-âÓ͘. Chit-tiam, goa-e sioN-hoat eng-kai kah li bo sim-mih cheng-chha. 3. chiu chitma Bongpo e pian-bu khang-khoe lai kong, su-bin-gi khaksit si chiaN iau-kin e taichi, tekpiat si Han-Lo e bunchiuN, chhiuN bunko sia "ae̍¸" e si, chit e "e̍¸" taute si pa, pa3, pa5 iah si pah? chiah-e im hoanse long u lang lang kong, mkoh pian-chip-chia ai soan2-eng7 toh 1 ji? chit e le engtong kap khiuNkhau bo tit-chiap koanhe, goan bokchian jinui long ka po-liu, bunte si tau-ko sia Hanji e si, goan ai iu-sian kai cho toh 1 ji? (tit-chiap mng chokchia si 1 e honghoat, mkoh na mng be tioh e si--leh?) koh chai kong, phoaN-toan chok-chioa e khiuNkhau ma ju lai ju be chun--a, chiaN che lang e khiuNkhau long sio thau-lam--a. koh lai, ma ai kholu chok-chia e im sia kah bo tiaN-tioh to chun2, che Si-chong to bat the-chhut lai kong--koe-a. Che ma si Han-ji leh ko-ko-tiN. Lan chun-tu-ho kou-le chok-chia sia choan-Lo. Na bo, chun-tu-ho sui5-e5-a2 khi mng. Tong-jian, chok-chia sia2/kong2..e bo-it-teng to long tioh8/ chun2/ e-tang jin-teng cho piau-chun. Chhan-chhioN âkam-kahâ, goa to it-tit jin-ui si âkam-kakâ chau-im--khi chiah u e hoat-im. Tu tioh chit-khoan cheng-heng, lan chun-tu-ho sui-e-a khi tho-lun, ma e-tang chham-kho khah-cha e citation forms (ti chia, goa kah Khin-hoaN hiaN eng-kai u sio-siang e khoaN-hoat). na u khak bengkhak e goan-chek, tholun e khah chiau-chng ma khah u hau-lut. 4. su-bin-gi i2 "toa to-sou lang e khau-gi/iu-se-khiuN" cho goan-chek, a. che ma suiau khah toa kui-bou e tian-ia chiah u khah oan-cheng e chhamkho chu-liau. Goa2 sim sou2-goan7. (Chit-cham-a u leh bong hian khah-cha e Kau3-hoe7-po3, tiaN-tiaN khoaN in an-ne sia2.) b. che si goanchek, msi piau-chun, goan ma kholu eng bo-kang hu-ho lai khu-piat kang im bo kang i-su e ji. Li chim-a si leh kong LMJ ah si Han-ji? Na LMJ, kang-im to ai sia kang-khoan. (Khah-theng-a chiah iong A-jin sou-kong e âkahâ lai tho-lun.) choan-lo iah si Han-Lo long etang anne cho, chhiuN kang i-su u bo kang khiuN-khau e si, iu-se khiuN-khau e im na hu-tam siuN tang7, esai kholu chhai2-eng7 khah chio-sou-lang kong e. koh chhiuN BP chin-cheng khu-piat "iah", "iah8", "iau2", "ah" e le, chit kui e im, liam--khi-lai logn kai oa, mkoh sia e si na eng bo kang hu-ho lai khupiat, etang si 1-khoan chhu-li goanchek 5. koanhe "tian-ia" e pouhun, goa e i-su si kong, a. etang seng tholun "su-bin-gi" e goan-chek. Na POJ lai kong, goan-chek chha-pu-to cha2 to7 teng7 ho-se..a. Sui-bong goa koh-jin khah-ng-bang siong7-bo5 tng-khi Douglas, siong7-ho2 si e-tang koh khah-cheng-bit--leh----chhan-chhioN âkou-teng khin-siaNâ kah âsui-chian pian-tiauâ chhai-iong TOJ khan-but iong â--â kah â..â lai hun-piat. Chai goa khoaN, che chiah si lan ai tho-lun e âsu-bin-gi e goan-chekâ. goa jinui che si khah iu-chat e pouhun. b. siaN khoan bunte suiau tiania lai kaikoat, siaN khoan bunte bian? M-chai-iaN li-e i3-su3. c. chhiuN憌璈, "poe-leng-ki", "hui-leng-ki" "hoe-leng-ki"…… BP soantek eng "hoe-leng-ki", chit chun msi iu-sian kholu "iu-se-khiuN" soan-eng "hoe", si jinui chit e im kap Hanji siong bo koanhe, na ka che chiaN-cho su-bin-gi e 1 hang goan-chek, tak-e kam etang chiap-siu? 1. Goa to si kong âhoe-leng-kiâ. Cheng7 se-han, goa to m-chai-iaN che kah âé£æ©â ah âé£è¡æ©â u sim-mih koan-he. 2. Lau-sit kong, goa khng3 tiam3 sim-koaN-te, m-kaN kong..e, to si: Na e-tang kah Han-ji bo koan-he, siong ho. chiu goa thiaN--tioh-e, iah si BP chiah siu--tioh e ko lai khoaN, "hoe", "poe", "hui" long u lang teh kong, si msi u siu Han-ji kap Hoagi eng-hiong, goa mchai. mkoh na titchiap kong "hui-ki"--e, engtogn tosi Hoagi cho-chiaN--e. kholu su-bin-gi e si: a. msi be hio-teng ki-thaN khau-gi, "ji" si liu-thong kang-ku, mkoh na kin-a-jit beh khng 1 te phiau-si, chong be-tang ka sou-u khiuN-khau khng--khi-lih, ai u chit-koa iu-sian sun-su lai kholu. chiu ji e kongleng lai kong, bo it-ti-seng msi kai thotong e chohoat. b.kho-lu su-bin-gi e si, sia--e, thak--e kap pian--e, lip-tiuN bo kang, e u bo kang e koan-tiam. iah si chhiuN A-jin chu-tiuN--e, "chiah kah chiok pa" e "kah" hu-tam siuN tang7, Ajin chu-tiuN eng "gah"(ma u lang e khau-gi anne kong) kam etang chiap-siu? Che, chhan-chhioN thau-cheng kong..e, chun-tu-ho sui-e-a tho-lun..a. M-koh tho-lun--kit-lai, u-tang-si-a e7 tu tioh toa bun-te, bo tek-khak sek-hap ti chia tho-lun. E-kha goa sia..e, li to bong chham-kho--lah. Bo chim-chiok khi sioN, chhiu-thau ma bo su-tian thang peng. M-koh goa chit8-si5 sioN e7 tioh8..e si7 4-e âkahâ: 1) âkah phoe7â, 2) âchiah8 bah, ma tioh chhai3 kahâ, 3) âtang-ki kah toh-thauâ, 4) âchiah kah chiok paâ. (âkah-i3â, âkah-chhui3â, âkeng-kahâ⦠long ai lian5-sia2, khoaN cho chit8-e su5, be-tang sng chai7-lai7.) Lan chai-iaN, siong7-bo5 ti u-e khioN-khau lai-te, 1), 2) kah 3), 4) e pian-tiau bo kang-khoan: 3) kah 4) pian-tiau kah te-1-siaN/te-8-siaN khah oa2-un5. Na7 lan e-tang chiap-siu ti su-bin-gi lai-te cho sim-mih siat-ke lai khu-piat chit-2-chiong âte-4-siaNâ, goa si kam-kak khah-ho--lah. (Lau-sit kong, goa cha2 to sioN boeh kou-bu tak-ke seng-jin Tai-gi lai-te u nng-chiong âte-4-siaNâ, na-chun kong in long si te-4-siaN. Chit-khoan le7, lan long chai, chiaN che7, m-koh ma sng2 e7 liau2, koh long si siong ki-pun e su5.) (Che ma si thau-cheng sou-kong2..e e âcheng-bitâ.) Chit-e bun-te khah-toa, khiong-kiaN phaiN ti chia tho-lun. Na7 e-tang chhan-chhioN an-ne, to e-tang ka7 1), 2) kah 3), 4) khu-piat--chhut-lai. âKah (phoe)â kah âkah (chhai)â long si verb, thau-cheng hit-e e iong-hoat na-chhioN chiaN âlimitedâ, bo su-iau hoan-lo. 4) na7 kah thau-cheng e verb lian5-sia2, to koh khah-m-bian hoan-lo e7 hun be7 chheng..a: âchiah-kah chiok paâ, âkoaN-kah phi-phi chunâ, âkin-a-jit koaN-kah..â. (Che si goa-e the-gi, m-chai u-lang e-tang chiap-siu--bou? Chit-tiam goa khah-cha ma bat kah li kong--koe.) M-koh, na-chun long chiau chim-a e sia-hoat, mai khu-piat nng-chiong te-4-siaN, mai ka7 4) kah thau-cheng e verb lian-sia, goa khoaN, tai-pou-hun e cheng-heng lan ma long thak u. (Si kong goa ka-ti bat sioN koe koah-a le7, khak-sit 3) kah 4) e7 u7 chiaN oh hun-piat e si-chun. Chim-ma sioN bo7 chiah-e le7..a.) Chia..e, chiah si goa jin-ui ai tho-lun e âsu-bin-gi e goan-chek/ piau-chun-hoaâ. Na chiau POJ e goan-chek, bun-ji su-hau khau-im, an-choaN kong to an-choaN sia----Lan ai chin3 chit8-pou khi cho..e, si ka ai/e-tang khu-piat..e khu-piat--chhut-lai. (Tong-jian, koh kong--chit8-kai, su-bin-gi tong-jian e7 kah khau-gi bo-kang. M-koh he kah chim-a sou-kong..e bo ti-tai.) Tho-lun piau-chun-hoa e si-chun, m-si boeh houN-jin âpah..aâ e chun5-chai7 (kan-na e-tang seng-jin âpa5..aâ). Lan boeh kian-lip Tai-gi e su-sia thaon-thong, goa sioN, âpa5..aâ kah âpah..aâ to long ai chiap-siu. Kau boe..a khoaN kong/sia toh chit8-chiong..e khah-che, chu-jian to e khah-u eng-hiong-lat, chiaN cho siong che7 lang e sia-hoat, sim-chi chiaN cho âpiau-chunâ. Ti sit-che e pian-bu teng-koan, goa ma kian-gi an-ne cho. (Tong-jian, lan ai tioN-ti si m-si chok-chia kong taN5--khi..a. Chhan-chhioN âkam-kahâ, goa to e7 kian-gi tak-ke lai chheng-kau che-hoe-lang, lai peng khah-cha e citation----khah-cha e su-tian, khoaN si m-si thong-it cho âkam-kakâ.) Bong chham-kho. Lip-bun ~Tekhoa

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; 'khinhoan' ; Cc: [](https://web.archive.org/web/20060117100416/mailto: "") Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:39 PM Subject: RE: [TGB] TOJ/POJ phiau-chun-hoa e the-gi (kam-kak vs. kam-kah) Tek-hoaN, Iong li ki2 e le7 lai kong: Li na7 lai goa chia cho tian-ia, goa it-teng ka7 li in3 kong âtah-engâ kah âtap-anâ. Goa m-chai-iaN lang leh liam âbun-gian-imâ e si-chun (chhan-chhioN ti koa-a-hi lai-te) e7 an-choaN kong. M-koh li kong han-tit u-lang kong âtap-anâ si m-tioh..e. Boeh cheng-beng chit-tiam, kan-na e-tang kho tian-ia. Lan khah-toa e bun-te si: boeh chhoe sim-mih lang cho tian-ia? Goa thau-cheng u kong khi: siong ho si chhoe khah-bo hou Hoa-gi bak-tak..tioh, koh m-bat POJ e si-toa-lang. Goa bo kong tian-ia e-tang kai-koat sou-u e bun-te. E-tang--bou? Goa m-chai-iaN. M-koh lan chim-a boeh pian su5-tian2, siong ho to si ui3 tian-ia cho khi2, siu-chip text, kian-lip corpus. Lip-bun -----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Tekhoa
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:13 PM
To: levin; 'khinhoan'; ; ;
Cc:
Subject: Re: [TGB] TOJ/POJ phiau-chun-hoa e the-gi (kam-kak vs. kam-kah) Lipbun hiaN: goa jinui, tian-ia etang kaikoat 1 pouhun bunte, chhiuN lan su-bin-gi beh kui-keh-hoa/piau-chun-hoa e su-sia, iah si thak-im e chha-piat, mkoh chhiuN Si-chong the5--e chit e bunte lai kong, tian-ia bo tiaN-tioh to sekhap lai cho kaikoat e soantek hong-an, goa ki 1 e le--> tap-an? tah-an? tap-eng? tah-eng? siong-sin han tit u lang e kong "tap-an" "tap-eng", mkoh lan kam to ai chiau khau-gi sia cho "tah-an" "tah-eng"? (na anne, "hoe-tap" tioh-ai sia cho "hoe-tah"?) kui-keh-hoa/piau-chun-hoa khaksit e chochiaN chiaN toa e cheng-gi, mkoh chong--si lan ai kiaN ng chit e hiong khi, beh anchoaN hengseng kui-keh-hoa/piau-chun-hoa e kiong-sek kap goan-chek, tong-jian iau tioh koh khah che tui-oe, tho-lun iah si tian-ia. ~Tekhoa

----- Original Message ----- From: levin ; ; Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: RE: [TGB] TOJ/POJ phiau-chun-hoa e the-gi (kam-kak vs. kam-kah) Si-chong hiaN, Chai goa thou2-sioN7, chit-hang khang-khoe ai keng-koe tian5-ia2 e kho-giam. Lan sa âkahâ chham âkapâ khi chhoe khah-bo hou Hoa-gi bak-tak--tioh, koh m-bat POJ e si-toa-lang chheng-kau, khoaN in si keng2 toh-chit8-e. Na boeh keng2 citation form, goa boeh mng: text si sim-mih? Goa ng-bang..e si ui3 tian5-ia2 siu-chip--lai e text. Na7 ai goa keng2, goa keng âkam-kakâ chham âkah. âPau-koatâ kah âpau-koahâ, goa long bo leh kong, ma han-tit thiaN. Goa ioh, che si khah-sin e goa-lai-gi. Lip-bun (Chiah ui3 Frankfurt tng--lai, bo ki-hoe chham-ka gian-tho-hoe, thiaN tak-ke tho-lun, chiaN bo-chhai.) -----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of khinhoan
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:34 PM
To: ; ;
Cc:
Subject: Re: [TGB] TOJ/POJ phiau-chun-hoa e the-gi (kam-kak vs. kam-kah) **Si-chong,

**Goa**e goan-chek si citation form e goan-chek, iah chiu-si in-pian chin-cheng e form, sou-i si Kam-kak, kap.

Sui-jian goa ko-jin si kong "kah", m-koh goa chai-iaN che-si -p>-h e cheng-heng, su-tian (lexicon) eng-kai si liat "kap", m-si liat "kah". Na-si kam-kah e "kah", ma-si -k > -h e cheng-heng, long-si final stops kan-hoa cho glottal stop e cheng-heng, in-ui an-ne khah kan-tan kong.

peng-an,
khinhoaN

On **Tue, 12 Oct 2004**18:52:02**+0800 (CST), keithche wrote

Chu-ui hiaN-che: Chit-pai 2004 TOJ gian-tho-hoe nau-jiat kun-kun, hou goa tui Taigibun e bi-lai, koh u ju che ng-bang. Ti goa teh po-ko te-37 phiaN lun-bun e chin-cheng, taihoe e sikan ki-liok-goan hiong-hiong soan-pou goa tu-a u 15 hun-cheng e sikan hoat-piau lun-bun. Che kap Taihoe pun-te hou goa e si-kan, 20 hun-cheng, cheng-chha 25% e si-kan, goa chi-ho ka pun-te beh hiong tai-ke chheng-kau e TOJ phiauchunhoa e sit-che soan-tek phiau-chun e pou-hun lang3--koe, bo kong. Chit-ma siuN-kong beh lai hiong tai-ke chheng-kau. Goa chit-pai the chit-e bun-te, chiah be liau tai-ke siuN che si-kang. Kam-kak vs. Kam-kah goa kap li vs. goa kah li pau-koat vs. pau-koah Teng-bin to2 chit-e si TOJ phiau-chun-the2 ? Tosia Sichong

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