----- Original Message ----- From: levin To: TADA Kei Cc: Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: Re: sektong e writing system

> taigu levin 
>
> taigu levin 
> Tada Kei san,
>
> Li siuN kheh-khi louh. Li khoaN, goa chit-e bo-gi si Tai-oan-oe
> e lang, Tai-gi sia/kong kah an-ne phoa-ke-ke.
> Sim-lai e kian-siau m-chai beh ui toh-ui kong khi.
>
> I-ha, si tam-poh-a siuN-hoat:
>
> TADA Kei wrote:
>
> > taigu "TADA Kei" 
> >
> > taigu "TADA Kei" 
> > Dibburn siansiN,
> > Tosia li e hoephoe.
> >
> > > si in-ui ti sit-che shu-sia (æ¸å¯«) e keng-giam lai-te, goa
> >
> > Goa oh taigu, oh-liau bo hiah-nih chhim. Chit-pai thaktioh
> > li e siuNhoat, tui goa lai kong si 1-e chin ho e kihoe. Chin
> > tosia. Goa chim2 teh thak Ang I-jin e "Taioan Holooe
> > siaNtiau giankiu". Laite ma u siatioh "tiongsengtiau"
> > (1.'gua23-diN1-ho31', 2.pe23-pe1-peq3, 3.sen23-se31, 4.
> > baiN23-sin31). Tiongkan chi-u 2. peh-peh-peh chit-chiong
> > kap "haN", "ko"(a-hiaN/a-ko), goa chiah thiaN-koe. m-ku
> > khoaNtioh 1,3,4 , kamkak ai u siammih honghoat thang
> > piausi "tiongsengtiau". ChhiuN Tan Binhiong siansiN
> > kong hitchiong "piau thakim msi piau punim" e honghoat
> > kam e eng-tit ?
>
> Chiau goa-e koan-chhat, Ang I-jin kong--tioh e chia e siaN-tiau,
> long si su-sit.
> Ki-tiong, 1. "gua23-ni1 ho31" e "gua23", goa jin-ui si "complex
> tone" (hu-hap siaN-tiau, è¤åè²èª¿), si "gua2" kah "a31" liam
> kin, nng-e syllables tau-cho-hoe, koh e-kha chiap ki-thaN word
> ("ho31"), ai pian-tiau e ket-ko. Chit-khoan le iau-u, m-koh
> chit-si siuN be-khi-lai. Chhin-chhiuN "e-hng" kah "ca-hng" liam
> kin pian-cho "eng" (chai goa thiaN--lai, siaN-tiau kah "eng"
> [leisure] bo-kang) ham "chang", ma si chit-chiong cheng-heng.
> Chin-cheng goa sou-kong e è¤åè²èª¿ bun-te, to-si ki chia-e.
> 2. "Peh-peh-peh" u i-e tone-sandhi kui-chek. Na su-sia e si-chun
> piau pun-tiau, e-tang kun-ku kui-chek chek-khak hoat-im. Sou-i,
> goa jin-ui m-bian tiat-piat khi chhu-li.
> 3 kap 4 long si goa-lai-gi (long si ui Jip-bun khip-siu--koe-lai
> e). TiuN Ju-hong Sian-siN ti æ鶴 chhut-pan e leng-goa chit-pun
> è«æé u choan-bun tho-lun. (PhaiN-se, chhiu-thau bo chheh, bo
> hoat-tou cha-cheng.)
>
> Goa-e siuN-hoat si: eng TiuN kau-siu piau-si complex tone e
> hong-hoat to u hoat-tou chhu-li goa-lai-gi e chia-e tiat-su
> siaN-tiau a. (M-koh, u chit-tiam, TiuN kau-siu piau complex tone
> e si, na-chhiuN bo kho-lu-tioh tone-sandhi e kui-chek.
> Chit-tiam, na si lan chu-tiuN su-sia e si ai piau "pun-tiau", to
> ai kai-sian.)
> Chong-kong chit-ku: goa si jin-ui, to-si complex tone (including
> goa-lai-gi) kap teng-hoe kong-tioh e hia-e khin-siaN hian-siong,
> ti su-sia-siong si ai chhu-li e. Na si "peh-peh-peh", to
> bo-su-iau chhu-li.
>
> Tau-te piau "pun-tiau" a-si "pian-tiau" khah ho, goa m-kaN kong.
> Chi-si piau "pun-tiau" na-chhiuN bo sim-mih bun-te.
> Lim-si siuN-tioh chit-tiam, vocabulary e hak-sip, piau
> "pun-tiau" m chai e7 khah hong-pian be?
>
> > > Ju-hong kau-siu ma u kong--tioh: na e-tang li-iong
> > > hong-gan-chha, e-sai kiam-chio "different words with the
> > > same spelling" e cheng-heng. (Goa ti teng-hoe sou kong
> > > ...
> > > Chhin-chhiuN, "chopstick"--"ti7" kap "the
> > > preposition"--"ti7", lan na li-iong TiuN kau-siu e
> > he-tong,
> > > to e-tang ka hun-piat sia cho "tujl" kap "til". An-ne, tui
> > u
> >
> > Chitkhoan e siuNhoat goa chin chanseng. Tansi TiuN kausiu
> > chit-e ku-the e honghoat goa bo saN chanseng. Su-iau
> > koh-khah kaisian.
> >
> > Peh-oeji ma si u 1-po'hun teh li-iong "Hong-gan-chha".
> > "gu2-gian5" e "gian" chiok che lang kong "gen", ma u lang
> > kong "gan5". Goa mbat thiaN-koe u lang kong "g + i + a
> > + n".
>
> Che si phonetic kap phonemic chan-chhu e confusion.
> Thoan-thong-siong jin-ui "ien"/"en" si tui "ian" lai e, in-e
> jip-siaN "iat" ma-si kang-khoan. Goa siuN, Peh-oe-ji kap
> tai-pou-hun e pheng-im bun-ji a-si im-piau kang-khoan, long si
> piau phoneme.
>
> (TiuN kau-siu eng "uj" piau-si TLPA e "ir". Na-chun e-tang chiau
> Peh-oe-ji e goan-chek set-ke leng-goa e sia-hoat, goa ma bo
> i-kian. Goa chai-iaN li bo chan-seng eng ji-bo piau siaN-tiau
> sia-jip-khi syllable lai-te. Na-chhun eng diacritic e-tang khah
> ho, goa kang-khoan bo i-kian -- siu-jian m chai-iaN an-ne ai ke
> piN-chhut goa che diacritics, goa hoai-gi an-ne e khah ho.)
>
> > > Peh-oe-ji e siaN-tiau hu-ho (diacritics). Goa si kam-kak
> > > thak--khi-lai chiaN chiah-lat. Che to-si辨è­ä¸ e bun-te.
> >
> > Tan peh-oeji piauchun hoa liauau to etang su-jip siaN-tiau
> > hu-ho (diacritics).
>
> Goa bo khak-teng goa chai-iaN li-e i-su. Chai goa khoaN--lai,
> Peh-oe-ji e-sai kong i-keng piau-chun-hoa a, ma u hoat-tou
> su-jip diacritics a -- chi-put-ko na-chhin-chhiuN leh sia txt.
> files a-si e-mails e si bo hoat-tou.
>
> Goa teng-hoe beh piau-tat e i-su si: Peh-oe-ji u piau diacritics
> pi bo piau khah ho thak. Na-chun e-sai koh piau-chhut hia-e
> tiat-su siaN-tiau, ji-chiaN li-iong hong-gan-chha, eng-kai si e
> koh-khah ho thak.
>
> > > Goa leh siuN, na-chun tak-ke tui writing system iau bo
> > > kiong-sek, ma e-tang eng chit-tho phonemic alphabet
> > > (chhin-chhiuN TLPA) lai ki-lok a -- chi-iau lan sim-lai
> > > chheng-chho che si im-piau, m-si bun-ji, to e-sai a.
> > > ChhiuN lin
> > > thak gi-gian-hak e lang to long si iong im-piau lai ki-lok
> > > bo-bun-ji e bin-chok e oe-gi.
> >
> > Anne mbian iong TLPA. Choanka tioh ai iong Kokche Impiau
> > (IPA).
>
> Tioh. M-koh chin-cheng i-keng kong-koe, u-lang e7 khi piN-chhut
> chit-tho TLPA, si ui-tioh phah tian-nau hong-pian.
>
> > Goa kiaN pho'-thong e lang bo hoatto' "sim-lai
> > chheng-chho che si im-piau, m-si bun-ji" anne.
>
> Bo m-tioh. Goa seng-jin, che ma si goa sou hoan-lo e.
> U-tang-si-a, goa e an-ne siuN -- TLPA eng sou-ji piau-si
> siaN-tiau, chi-chio u chit-e ho-chhu: lang e7 siuN-kong: "Thah
> u-lang bun-ji an-ne sia e?" An-ne, lang to e7 khah chu-i i si
> im-piau, m-si bun-ji.
>
> Eng im-piau "sia" gi-gian tong-jian m-si ku-tng e cho-hoat. Che
> ma si tak-ke siuN beh khah-kin u chit-tho bun-ji e goan-in.
> Tong-jian, u chin che peng-iu to jin-ui: Peh-oe-ji to-si
> chit-tho bun-ji a lah.
>
> > > An-ne cho iau u chit-e i-su: ho, lan seng-jin lan chit-ma
> > > iau bo chit-tho tak-ke chip-siu e bun-ji! Lan seng-jim
> >
> > Taioan te 1-hun po-choa si "Taioan HusiaN Kauhoepo" 1885,
> > si iong peh-oeji sia e. Chitma Taipakkoan e khopun ma iong
> > Peh-oeji. So'-i ma etang kong "Siong-kai ho' lang chipsiu e
> > bunji he-thong si peh-oeji. Tansi msi 'oanchoan' e bunji
> > he-thong".
>
> Mh, tai-khai si an-ne lah.
> Chi-si goa jin-ui hian-chhu-si khah mai in-ui A-piN-a cho
> chong-tong a, to kip beh iong cheng-ti se-lek teng-u-it-chun
> (å®æ¼ä¸å°).
>
> I-siong.
>
> Djavl Dibburn
> (Eng-kai khoaN-e-chhut, goa i-keng sip-koan iong TiuN kau-siu e
> he-thong sia ka-ti-e mia.)
> ?
>
>