Babuza i-su kong--tioh e cheng-heng (1-->7-->3) u-lang kong cho si te-2-kai e pian-tiau. Chhin-chhiuN TiuN Ju-hong ks e "Ki-pun-lun" pp.123-6. Che khak-sit si lan leh kong siaN-tiau pian-hoa e si5 ai tiuN-ti e tai-chi. TiuN ks ma ti kang chit8-e sou-chai kong-tioh hong-gan thau3-lam7 ti-su siaN-tiau pian-hoa e cheng-heng. Goa ka-ti leh kong-oe, eng-kai to u chiaN beng-hian e "hong-gan thau-lam", chhin-chhiuN: goa kong [Tai7-lam5], m-koh [Tai3-pak4]. Goa ioh, kong "Tai5-lam5" e si5, goa si7 toe3 E-kang-khiuN kong, kong "Tai5-pak" e si5 toe3 Teng-kang-khiuN kong. Iau-koh chit8-tiam: chu7 cha2 lan to siu-tioh HJ chiok toa e eng-hiong, tiaN-tiaN ai khi3 �™„�œƒ HJ. (PhaiN-se, koh siuN bo TG beh an-choaN kong..a.) Lan m-thang chhin-chhin-chhai-chhai to khoaN "folk etymology" bo5 bak8-te7. M-koh lan long chai-iaN chiah-e kong-hoat tiaN-tiaN �™„�œƒ HJ, ma tiaN-tiaN ui "ji7" ah si "su5" e i-su lai �™„�œƒ. Douglas sou-ki3-chai3 e HJ, tiaN-tiaN long chun-tiong "folk etymology". Ki-sit, pi2 khi2 ou-peh chhoe "pun2-ji7", chit-khoan chun-tiongfolk e thai-tou tiaN-tiaN koh-khah tat-tit lan him-siong----chi2-iau3 lan chai-iaN lai-te chiaN che7 �™„�œƒ. Tai-jit Toa-su-tian ka7 cha-pou gin-a ho-khoaN e "ian-tau" kah jip8 ian5 (�‰›) e tau5-a2 (撉啣�) tong3 cho kang chit8-e su5, na7 si7 m-tioh8..e, che kiam-chhai to7 si i-gi e �™„�œƒ. "Ian-tau" sia cho "蝺��Š•", ma bo-tiaN-tioh si HJ kah i-gi e �™„�œƒ (kong kah "tau5-ian5" u koan-he). Douglas e ki-chai, cha-pou gin-a "ian5-tau5" (蝺�嚗Ÿ. tai-khai chai-te-lang bo ka Douglas kong "tau5" si sim-mih HJ, sou-i i ma bo ou-peh ki-chai) kah poah-kiau piah--lang e "ian5-tau5 (�‰›撉�) si7 nng-e su5. Goa siuN beh kong2..e, si7: �™„�œƒ HJ liau-au, lan si m-si hoat-im ma e tian-to3 hou HJ eng-hiong--khi? (E-ki3-tit bat khoaN-koe chit-khoan cheng-heng, m-koh chit-ma chit8-si5 siuN7 bo5 khah beng5-hian2 e le7.) (HJ ki5-koai3 e sou-chai be7 chio2, ki5-tiong chit8-hang7 to7 si7: ChiaN che lang be-ki3-tit "bun-ji" si iong lai sia gi-gian..e, tiaN-tiaN long leh "thak8" "ji7", soah iong "bun-ji" lai "蝟暹迤" hoat-im.) "Ian-tau", lan chit-ma chai-iaN u nng-e kho-leng: 1) "Pun-tiau" si "1": m-koh u-e lang "te-2-kai pian-tiau", 1-->7-->3. 2) "Pun-tiau" si "5": m-koh u-e kong Choan-chiu-khiuN e lang hou Chiang-chiu ah si pat-khoan khiuN-khau thau-lam--tioh, ma kong cho [ian7-tau5]. (M-koh, Choan-chiuN-oe kah Chiang-chiu-oe lai-te long iau u chiok che7 sio2 hong-gan. Chiah-e sio2 hong-gan ti siaN-tiau chit-hong-bin e piau-hian, lan chit-ma si m-si long piN chheng-chho..a? Iau-koh u, Ho-lo-oee siaN-tiau si m-si iau u thoan-thong siaN-tiau koan-liam i2-goa7 e in-sou3--leh?) E-bin si goa "ou-pehioh" e "kho-leng-seng": 1) Ti che au-piah, ma kho-leng u HJ e ou-iaN: in-ui �™„�œƒ si "蝺�", siuN kong "pun-tiau" si "5", sou-i Choan-chiu-khiuN lai-te to u-lang ka "thak8" cho [ian3-tau5], kong ku to7 tiau5--leh. 2) Pun-te si "ian5-tau5", m-koh in-ui "lang5 ian, thiau-a toa-khian" e "ian" chun-chai, lan to cho i-gi e �™„�œƒ, siuN kong eng-kai si "ian1-tau5". 3) Ti Douglas, Barclay, Tai-jit, long chhoe bo5 "lang seN liau 'ian1'" e kong-hoat. Chit-e "ian" bo-tiaN si "ian-tau" e "back formation". (Iu-ki HJ u "憳�", ou-iaN koh lai iN-tiN..a.) TaN beh an-choaN? Goa siuN, "lek-su" egian-kiu si chit8-hoe-su. Lan chiam-si ma bo su-iau ou-peh ioh. Bo-kang khiuN-khau, hong-gan, kah Hak-fa teng2-teng2 koan-he chiaN chhim e gi-gian, in tiong-kan e pi2-kau3, ti hian-chu-si eng-kai koh khah tiong-iau. Lan to iau boe ka bo-kang hong-gan kah "chhin-chiaN5 gi-gian" tiong-kan e koan-he piN khah chheng-chho--leh, na khi3 cho3 "lek-su-tek" e tham3-tho2, khiong-kiaN si bo te2-ti3..e. Hian-chu-si, khoaN-khoan lan to ai seng5-jin7 "ian1-tau5" kah "ian5-tau5" chit nng-khoan sia3-hoat long e-sai--tit. ChhiaN chi-kau. Lip-bun

----- Original Message ----- From: Hokkchu ; Siok-tin ; Bin-bin (H) ; ungian, pchome Cc: [taigubang](https://web.archive.org/web/20060113023050/mailto: "") Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: Re: ian1-tau5 ah si ian5-tau5
Tai-ke CTT! Lan kong 5-->3/7. Tai-ke long chheng-chho. M-ku 1-->7 lin kiam chai? Goa e bo-gi chiu-si u chit-khoan le7. Chham-ka tiann-tioh thak[chham7-ka]. Goa koan3-si3iong [ ] piau-si thak-im. Tan-si sit-che-siong e pian-tiau chham goa ka-ki ma u si hoe-ko-ko, chit e si-chun si [chham3]. Koh chit-e le, hak-seng tiann-tiann bo iong ka7, iong 撠‡ , koh sia chiong7 , pian-tiau thak-cho [chiong3]. Pi-ju, goa [chiong3] chheh khng ti toh-teng. Goa e i-su si: Kan-ta iong pian-tiau lai kai-soeh ian e goan-tiau si bo tho-tong..e! Na-si iong gi-gian-hak e kak-tou kho-leng e khah chiu-chi koh su-si. Ina-tau e ian kap lang ian thiau-a toa khian e ian kiam chiann-sit si kang chit-lui e kong-liam? Goa jin-ui an-ne khah ho hoe-tap. Hou tai-ke chham-kho. Babuza ----- Original Message ----- From: ­ v <> To: ungian, pchome<>; Levin <> Cc: taigubang <> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: ian1-tau5 ah si ian5-tau5

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Engam khi Chionghoa tau3-ka3 gooakok sinniu Taigi,
mng7 haikhau lang Gi7-ho5 hiaN,
I kong ''ian3.tau5'' ma chaiiaN siaulian ke chiaN''ian''e konghoat.
Goa si Chhan-tiong lang,goa kong''ian7.tau5''
Lahjih
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Lipbun hiaN :

Goa si Taipak lang, "ian" piantiau liauau thak te 7 siaN,
soui puntiau engkai si te 1 siaN.

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