----- Original Message ----- From: "Hak-khiam" To: "Taigu Group" Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 9:49 AM Subject: Fw: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN

> > Choe-kin email u kai, u e phoe kia lai TGB e thoe-tng-lai. Chit tiuN
phoe
> > koh sang chit pai.
> >
> > Hak-khiam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hak-khiam" 
> > To: "" ; "霅撟單祥"
> ;
> > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
> > 
> > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> >
> >
> > > Kang im-ui (曈雿) e gu-im in e sit-che hoat-im e-tang bo-kang, m-koh
bo
> > > khu-piat i-su, c.c. Eng-gu e ph (pie) kah p (spy) im bo-kang, m-koh
long
> > > sia-cho "p", in-ui Eng-gu e p sang-khi bo sang-khi bo eng-hiong tioh
> i-su.
> > >
> > > blg kah mnng si im-ui pian-the e-tang hap-cho 1 e, sou-i lan chiah e
> > > khoaN-tioh i-ha e hian-siong:
> > >
> > > > > > Chin-che lang..... long ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho
> si
> > > kang-khoan.
> > >
> > > Beh ka hak-seng e si-chun e-tang ka in kong blg kah mnng u
> > hou-pou-hun-phoe,
> > > mnng kah phiN-hoa bo-im phoe-hap, blg bo kah phiN-hoa bo-im cho-hoe,
> sou-i
> > > POJ bo sia gaN, hak-seng u tang-si-a e mng, ui-sim-mih "nga" e "a"
m-si
> > > phiN-im thah kah ng cho-hoe, tioh e-tang ka kong pun-te e hoat-im si
> > "ngaN",
> > > m-koh lan sia e si-chun ka phiN-im seng-liok.
> > >
> > > Goa kong sio-siang si kin-ku goa ka-ki e kam-kak. Goa mng i-su u kang
> bo,
> > si
> > > in-ui "i-su" u chha bo si koat-teng si-m-si kang chit e "im-ui" e
> > tiong-iau
> > > in-sou.
> > >
> > > Hak-khiam
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "" 
> > > To: "Hak-khiam" ; "霅撟單祥" ;
> > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
> > > 
> > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 1:48 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > >
> > >
> > > > Anni kong bo siaN thotong.
> > > >
> > > > > Goa thak khi-lai si kang-khoan.
> > > >
> > > > Ka 2 e siooa e im thakcho kangkhoan, bo taipiau in punchiaN
siosiang.
> > > >
> > > > Ma u lang ka "j, l, g" long thakcho kangkhoan. Ma bo taipiau in
> punchiaN
> > e
> > > > hoatim siosiang.
> > > >
> > > > > Ji-chhiaN boe-a hit 2 e thak khi-lai tioh sng u chha-piat, m-koh
in
> e
> > > > "i-su"
> > > > > kam u chha-piat? biN7= mi ? laN7=na7 ?
> > > >
> > > > "biN kap mi" si Taigi laite kang 1 e mihkiaN ti bo kang susia
hethong
> e
> > > > siahoat. KhiongkiaN betang anni cho pikau.
> > > >
> > > > 1. POJ kinpun to bo "biN" e siahoat; hakseng na sia "biN" to hou
> > lausu
> > > > phah chhea--a; beh anchoaN kong in "isu" siosiang bo siosiang?
> > > >
> > > > 2. Na etang kong "biN=mi" (hoatim iah isu), anni ma etang kong
> > > > "biN=mi=bni", simchi "...=bhiN=...".
> > > >
> > > > Loulat.
> > > >
> > > > Kiatgak
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Hak-khiam" 
> > > > To: "" ; "?=%-*v"
> > > ;
> > > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
> > > > 
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 3:10 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > > bi7 biN7 mi7
> > > > > > > ga5 gaN5 nga5
> > > > > > > la7 laN7 na7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo
> > phiN-im
> > > e
> > > > > > > bo-kang.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kah khng chohoe pikau, bo toli kong aupiah 2 e thak kangkhoan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Goa si kian-gi tak-ke thak khoaN mai leh.
> > > > > Goa thak khi-lai si kang-khoan.
> > > > > Ji-chhiaN boe-a hit 2 e thak khi-lai tioh sng u chha-piat, m-koh
in
> e
> > > > "i-su"
> > > > > kam u chha-piat? biN7= mi ? laN7=na7 ?
> > > > > Goa thak khi-lai kang-khoan, ma jin-ui in e i-su si kang-khoan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hak-khiam
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Hak-khiam" 
> > > > > > To: "" ; "?=%-*v"
> > > > > ;
> > > > > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 2:32 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Goa kong liau chin thiu-hiong, kho-leng bo ho liau-kai.
> > > > > > Iong le lai kong hoan-se khah chheng-chho.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bi7 biN7 mi7
> > > > > > ga5 gaN5 nga5
> > > > > > la7 laN7 na7
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chit 3 e le, kam m-si boe-a hit 2 e thak kang-khoan, kah bo
> phiN-im
> > e
> > > > > > bo-kang.
> > > > > > biN kah mi si kang-khoan e.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hak-khiam
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From:  
> > > > > > To: Hak-khiam ; ?=%-*v
> ;
> > > > keith
> > > > > > cheng ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net)
> > > > 
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 1:02 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2
> chou
> > > im
> > > > na
> > > > > > ka
> > > > > > > > lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui
> tioh
> > u
> > > 18
> > > > e
> > > > > > > > siaN-bo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "p, ph", "t, th", "k, kh", "ch, chh" si sikan e pianthe. "leng
> > > siaNbo"
> > > > > si
> > > > > > bo
> > > > > > > siaNbo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ka chit 5 e khautiau, Taigi kanna chhun 10 e siaNbo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa
> > un-bo
> > > > > > $8-5;s$F
> > > > > > > C}
> > > > > > > >  tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anni si tianto thau kong. KhoaN Sichong thehkiong e le to
> chaiiaN,
> > > "b,
> > > > > l,
> > > > > > g"
> > > > > > > be piancho "m, n, ng".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "banc"(i2-liau5 e i3-su3) hoat-im chiap-kin Taigi e "baN"
> > > > > > > "long"(tng5 e i-su) hoat-im si "loN"
> > > > > > > "gond" (mng5 e au1-liu2) hoat-im si "goN"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Susit engkai si Taigi e hoatim si "m-, n-, ng-", u lang ka i
> > siacho
> > > > > "b-N,
> > > > > > > l-N, g-N".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lenggoa, "l" phiNimhoa ma msi "n".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN
> > un-bo
> > > > > > > > chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ???
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "ma" e hoatim be piancho "ba iah baN", "na" ma be piancho "la
> iah
> > > > laN",
> > > > > > "ga"
> > > > > > > ma be piancho "nga iah gaN".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kijian Chan Kimkim ks u eng gikhi pong--koe, chengau hoatim u
> > > khupiat
> > > > > > engkai
> > > > > > > si bo siaN bunte.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im
tioh
> > > iong
> > > > m,
> > > > > > n,
> > > > > > > > ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long
u
> > > > phiN-im
> > > > > > > "aN",
> > > > > > > > in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Che si POJ susia Holooe e kuichek (koansi), msi hoatim e
> kuichek.
> > > > > Pitkeng
> > > > > > > "ma, maN, baN" iausi bo kang e hoatim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ChhiaN chikau.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kiatgak
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Hak-khiam" 
> > > > > > > To: "?=%-*v" ; ""
> > > > > > ;
> > > > > > > "keith cheng" ; "Taigu (Taiwanese
Net)"
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 10:55 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tak-ke ho:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [b][l][g] kah [m][n][ng] si im-ui pian-the -5&lE\Ei!CChit 2
chou
> > im
> > > na
> > > > > ka
> > > > > > > lam cho-hoe Tai-gi e siaN-bo tioh si 15 im, na ka hun-khui
tioh
> u
> > 18
> > > e
> > > > > > > siaN-bo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [b][l][g] na ti phiN-im un-bo ;s-5C}%@ kah goan-im phiN-hoa
un-b
> o
> > > > > > $8-5;s$FC}
> > > > > > >  tioh e pian-cho [m][n][ng] . biN7= mi7, [b] in-ui
> > > au-piah
> > > > > > > phiN-im e eng-hiong chu-jian e pian-cho [m].
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [m][n][ng] na si ti hui phiN-hoa goan-im un-bo kah jip-siaN
> un-bo
> > > > > > > chin-cheng, tioh e pian-cho [b][l][g] .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Kan-tan-kong, u bo phiN-im e tioh iong b, l, g, u phiN-im tioh
> > iong
> > > m,
> > > > > n,
> > > > > > > ng. Ai chu-i e si c.c. "ma", "nga" au-piah e "a" ki-sit long u
> > > phiN-im
> > > > > > "aN",
> > > > > > > in-ui si e-tang u-chhek e lan long ka seng-liok.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hak-khiam
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: ?=%-*v 
> > > > > > > To:  ; keith cheng
> > > > > > > ; Taigu (Taiwanese Net)
> > 
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:42 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tak-e pengan:
> > > > > > > > POJ e siat-ke kan-na u ma na nga ,bo baN laN gaN .
> > > > > > > > baN laN gaN eng-kai si ui Sip-ngou-im (Lui-im po-kam )lai--e
> ,15
> > > im
> > > > > liu
> > > > > > > pian
> > > > > > > > kiu khi te pho tha cheng jip si ....,long-chong chiah 15 e
> > siaN-bo
> > > > ,I
> > > > > ka
> > > > > > b
> > > > > > > > ke N tong-cho ma,ka l ke N tong-cho na,ka g ke N tong-cho
nga
> .
> > > > > > > > Lah-jih
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "" 
> > > > > > > > To: "keith cheng" ; "Taigu
(Taiwanese
> > > Net)"
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 1. Gigian e bunte chiaN che long si soantekseng--e (soan 1
> > hang,
> > > > > taike
> > > > > > > > > koansi i-au to chiau leh eng).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2. Kijian "m-", "n-", "ng-" eng chiah ku--a, ma bo simmih
> toa
> > > > bunte,
> > > > > > > > sitchai
> > > > > > > > > bo pitiau koh siacho "b-N", "l-N", "g-N".
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 3. POJ beh piauchunhoa, bunji sitchai bo pitiau hoaneng
> khauim
> > e
> > > > > > siokhoa
> > > > > > > > > chengchha.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 4. Chiau itpoaN e goanchek, isu na bo chengchha kinpun bo
> > pitiau
> > > > ti
> > > > > > > > subingi
> > > > > > > > > cho khupiat. (chai lang thak, thiaN u to ho) ChhiuN "tsa"
> > > siacho
> > > > > > "cha"
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > ho.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 5. Kong "ma = baN", "na = laN", "nga = gaN" sitchai u
bunte,
> > he
> > > si
> > > > > bo
> > > > > > > > > kangkhoaN e im, betang kong in siosiang (beh to kong in si
> > siooa
> > > e
> > > > > > im).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 6. Taigi sitche e hoatim engkai si "maN", "naN", "ngaN"
(kui
> e
> > > > > imchat
> > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > phiNimhoa).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Isiong si goa chu-i chit e bunte chiaN ku i-au e chitkoa
> > > kiatlun,
> > > > > > chhiaN
> > > > > > > > > taike chhamkho. Ma ngbang na u pian kauchai e lang, mthang
> hou
> > > > > > thokchia
> > > > > > > > > chhongou e koanliam. Loulat.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kiatgak
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "keith cheng" 
> > > > > > > > > To: "Taigu (Taiwanese Net)" 
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 4:47 PM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: [TGB] nga vs. gaN; na vs. laN; ma vs. baN
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kok-ui hiaN-che:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Khan-siap tioh POJ/TOJ e piau-chun-hoa chit-e issue, u
> > chit-e
> > > > > bun-te
> > > > > > > beh
> > > > > > > > > > chheng-kau tai-ke.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Chin-che lang(pau-koat choe-kin Hongtin che e LMJ
> powerpoint
> > > > > > > kau-chai),
> > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > ka "nga/gaN", "na/laN", "ma/baN" sia-cho si kang-khoan.
> > Chit-e
> > > > > > bun-te
> > > > > > > > > > chin3-cheng u Hokchu, Lah-jih, Kiat-gak hiaN ia bat
> > the-chhut
> > > > > > i-kian.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Chit-khoan "issue" ki-sit ti u "phiN-bo-im" e gi-gian
long
> > u,
> > > > > > > > chhin-chhiuN
> > > > > > > > > > Hoat-gi. M-koh Hoat-gi e chit-2-chou, u-e u gi2-i3 e
> > > cheng-chha.
> > > > > > > Tai-gi
> > > > > > > > > > chit-e-chou gi-i kho-leng bo chengchha(?bo khak-teng),
> m-koh
> > > ti
> > > > > > > > > > piau-chun-hoa e lip-tiuN iau-ku si ai soan-tek
chit-chiong
> > lai
> > > > > eng.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Eng2-pai bat chheng-kau koe Khin-hoaN hiaN, u kong-khi
> "nga"
> > > kap
> > > > > > > "gaN",
> > > > > > > > > "na"
> > > > > > > > > > kap "laN", "ma" kap "baN" hoat-im siong si bo kang--e.
> > > Chha-piat
> > > > > si
> > > > > > > > > > chit-khai-si e hoat-im ui7-ti3 bo kang.
> > > > > > > > > > "nga" tui "ng" e ui-ti khai-si. "gaN" tui "g" e ui-ti
> > khai-si,
> > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > > Chiau goa e hoat-im, "nga2-khi3" chiah tioh, m-si
> > "gaN2-khi3",
> > > > > etc.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Leng-goa Khin-hoaN hiaN ia u the-khi Chan Kim-kim ks.
bat
> ti
> > > > > Hawaii
> > > > > > > > Taihak
> > > > > > > > > > eng ki-khi chhek-koe, tek-khak si "nga" m-si "gaN".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I-siong
> > > > > > > > > > Sichong
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > .
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> > kia-e-kau.
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