----- Original Message ----- From: levin To: Henry H. Tan-Tenn Cc: TAIGU ; Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: Re: ICRT kap Hinet

> taigu levin 
>
> taigu levin 
> Honggiau Sian-siN,
>
> Li-e khoaN-hoat, goa oan-choan chan-seng.
>
> Li kong li koh-khah tiong-si bun-hak-ka. Goa ma u tong-kam. In-ui bun-hak
chiah
> si sit-chian. Chi-u ti sit-chian tiong, lan chiah u kho-leng tau-tau-a
> chhiau-chek, kai-chin, ma chiah u kho-leng kong sim-mih "chhui-heng",
> "hok-heng".
>
> Leng-goa chit4-e kang-khoan tiong-iau e khang-khoe to si ki-lok kah
cheng-li.
>
> Goa ioh, se-kan kho-leng bo siaN-mih oan-choan li-siong ia-si oan-bi e
bun-ji.
> Kan-na u khah-sek-tong ia-si khah-bo-sek-tong e chha-piat.
>
> Goa siuN, che si ai hun-thau chin-heng e tai-chi:
> U-e lang ai ke-siok cho gi-gan-hak e gian-kiu;
> u-e lang ai ke-siok tho-lun, gian-kiu bun-ji he-thong e bun-te;
> u-e lang ai ke-siok cho tian-ia, ki-lok;
> u-e lang ai ke-siok piaN-si chhong-cho, sia-chok....
> Tong-jian, na u hoat-to, u-e lang ma e-sai tak-hang long cho.
>
> Sou-u chia-e khang-khoe long be-tang theng--loh-lai, tong-jian ma long
> be-eng-tit tan2.
>
> Li kong li hian-chhu-si bo siaN care bun-ji ia-si im-phiau. Goa ma e-tang
> chan-seng.
> Li kong phaiN oh, phaiN sia, bo hong-pian, chia long si chhu-iau e. Che,
goa ma
> chan-seng.
> Sou-i, goa siuN, si-m-si lan chit-ma mai cho hit-khoan teng-u-it-chun (å®
æ¼ä¸å°)
> e tai-chi?
> Chi-iau e-tang soeh-beng ka-ti e su-sia goan-chek, hou pat-lang e-tang
li-kai,
> cheng-khak thak--chhut-lai, to e-eng--tit. Lan ma m-thang chou-tong lang
khi cho
> "kai-chin" Peh-oe-ji a-si ki-thaN bun-ji (a-si im-phiau) he-thong e
khang-khoe.
> (Ti7 leng-goa chit-tiuN hou Tada Kei Sian-siN e phoe lai-te, goa kong
"na-chun
> tak-ke tui writing system iau bo kiong-sek, ma e-tang eng chit-tho
phonemic
> alphabet lai ki-lok", ma si chit-e i-su.)
>
> (Ti A-hui Sian-siN hit-phiN siaN-beng lai-te, te-saN-tiam tos-si goa
koh-jin
> khah bo hoat-tou jin-tong e sou-chai. Koh kong chit-kai: goa si kian-gi
lan
> chit-ma mai kip-leh cho teng-u-it-chun e tai-chi.)
>
> Sin-soa chheng-kau tak-ek chit-tiam: Lan chit-ma leh eng e Peh-oe-ji,
> u-tang-si-a goa leh siuN, si-m-si khah sek-hap ki-lok E-mng-oe? Cha-ki
Douglas
> in cho ki-lok e si, iau koh u kho-lu-tioh ki-thaN e hong-gan, si an-choaN
kau
> boe-a long bo beh an-ne cho leh? Chiang-choan-lam, lam-chhut E-mng-oe.
> Chiang-choan-lam, ma lam-chhut lan-e Tai-oan-oe. M-koh Tai-oan-oe pit-keng
m-si
> E-mng-oe. SiuN beh cho chit-e kian-gi: lan Tai-oan sou-su-eng e Peh-oe-ji
> tioh-ai kho-lu Tai-oan e gi-gian hian-sit.
>
> Iau-koh chit-tiam: kok-ui hiaN-che, lin khoaN, goa chit-tiuN phoe lai-te,
> Mandarinized e words kah gi-hoat moa-moa-si7, u-tang-si-a koh ai
chioh-iong
> Eng-bun. Sit-chai kian-siau. Na u-lang kheng poah-kang ka goa chi-kau,
the-chhiN
> goa Tai-gi e kong-hoat, he to put-chi-a kam-sia louh.
>
> Lou-lat.
>
> Djavl Dibburn
> ?
>
> Henry H. Tan-Tenn wrote:
>
> > taigu "Henry H. Tan-Tenn" 
> >
> > taigu "Henry H. Tan-Tenn" 
> >
> > Chiau bokcheng e kiokse lai khoaN, Holooe kap Khehoe nasi u hoattou cho
kau
> > Hiangkang Kngtangoe e thengtou toh sng si 1-chiong kekbeng a.?Hianchhusi
> > goa kojin bo siaN care bunji iahsi imphiau joa u li-siong iahsi joa bo
> > lisiong, hui-tit na7 bo hoattou hou sia-hoe chiapsiu toh kap Esperanto
sio
> > siang, bo lou iong.?Ju-ko Tekkok u hoat-tou iong 1-tho bo li-siong e
> > pheng-im-hoat piau-tat chhut Beethoven, Einstein, Marx....chiah-e lang e
> > su-siong, che chiah si tiong-iau e.?PhaiN oh, phaiN sia, bo
hongpian...che
> > long si chhu-iau e.?Che toh kap i-hak kangkhoan, bo kholeng tan2 kau
> > liau-kai 1-e peN liau-kai thau-thiat chiah khai-si lai i 1-e hoanchia,
> > hit-chun ikeng siuN oh a, be-hu a.?Goa chong-si kamkak, na7 bo goan-i
> > chinheng bogi hok-heng e khangkhoe, koh khah kantan, lisiong e honghoat
> > kiongkiaN ma si leksu siong e 1-e tiam2, be-tang kai-pian siaNmi.?Sou-i
> > sui-bong hakchia chiaN tiong-iau, goa koh khah tiongsi bunhak-ka.
> >
> > Isiong piau-tat e si goa kojin e 1-chiong "impatience", chit-chiong
khimochi
> > ti-su goa ai khi chhoe chhut goa-e priority.
> >
> > --Honggiau
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: levin
> > To: bongpo
> > Cc: tavokan khinhoann ; 
> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: ICRT kap Hinet
> >
> > Takke ho,
> > Chit-hun siaN-beng, goa chiok siuN beh kong: "Goa oan-choan chan-seng."
> > M-ko goa bo hoat-tou.
> > Siong tiong-iau e chit-tiam si: Peh-oe-ji kam si sek-tong e "writing
> > system"?
> > 1) An-ne su-eng "hyphen" sit-chai kam-kak ngaih-gioh, ma bo hong-pian.
> > 2) U-e siaN-tiau, Peh-oe-ji iau bo (a-si chin phaiN) chhu-li:
> > ??1] è¤åè²èª¿, TLPA eng "9" lai piau-si, na chhin-chhiuNè¤åè²èª¿ kan-na
> > chit-khoan nia, goa ma kam-kak bo sek-tong. M-koh, Peh-oe-ji long bo
> > chhu-li.
> > ??("Goa-nih" e "goa" chai goa siuN si "goa7-a2" liam kin e ket-ko. "Eng"
> > si "e-hng"....iau-u hia-e goa-lai-gi, chhin-chhiuN "mai-sin",
"sian-se"....)
> > ? (Sin-soa kong chit-tiam: TLPA i-keng ka ka-ti teng-ui cho
> > "Phonetic/Phonemic Alphabet"ï¼é³æ¨ï¼, to piau-si i m-si "Writing system"
> > ï¼æå­ï¼. Sou-i goa si kam-kak m-bian siuN koa-sim.)
> >
> > ? 2] Ang I-jinï¼æ´ªæä»ï¼chin-cha to kong-tioh中é調ãçè¼è²ååè¼è² e
> > hian-siong (ti hit-pun Chu-lip chhut e tho-lun siaN-tiau e chheh) . Goa
> > kam-kak, chia-e hian-siong si chin-sit--e, chi-put-koè¼è² e bun-te
> > bo-tia-tioh pi Ang I-jin kong--e koh-khah hok-chap. Goa siuN, Tai-oan-oe
e
> > bun-ji khiong-kiaN be-tang bo chhu-li chit-e hian-siong.
> > ? 3] Iau-koh chit-e hian-siong, ki-sit ma i-king u-lang kong--koe a:
> > chhin-chhiuN teng-chit-toaN e "koh-khah hok-chap" e "koh-khah",
Peh-oe-ji
> > peng-siong si-m-si long ka "koh" tong-choe "koh4", ka "khah" tong-choe
> > "khah4"? Na an-ne, pian-tiau i-au eng-kai si "ko2-kha2". M-koh goa
an-choa
> > thiaN ma si thiaN choe "ko1-kha1".
> > ??(Chit-khoan le chin-che [é¿æ伯æ¸å­è¡¨ç¤ºè®èª¿ä»¥å¾çè²èª¿] : M-koh1;
> > mai-koh1 an-ne lah; khu-leh1 chiah-png; goa kah1 li; soah1 phah-bo--khi;
kam
> > u chiah1-ho; hiah1 kang-hu--tioh; li beh1 an-choaN; khah1-su gin-a....
Chia
> > si chit-chiong hian-siong a-si nng-saN-chiong hian-siong [chi-si
> > piau-bin-siong si kang-chit-e hian-siong], goa m chai-iaN.)
> > ? Ko-ling gi-gian-hak-ka ai koh ti chit-hong-bin ho-ho-a gian-kiu chiah
> > e-sai--tit. (Na i-king u chit-hong-bin e gian-kiu, chhiaN chiah po ho
goa
> > chai. To-sia.)
> > ?Na-chun chia-e "words" siaN-tiau e an-ne pian-hoa si in-ui in-e
"pun-tiau"
> > ki-sit m-si "4", si leng-goa u lan kau-taN iau m-chai-iaN e "pun-tiau",
goa
> > siuN, lan-e bun-ji ma ai cho chit-e chhu-li. (Tong-jian, na-chun in-e
> > "pun-tiau" khak-sit si "4", lan tioh-ai chhoe-chhut i-e kui-chek.)
> > a̍Chia-e bun-te kah hian-siong, chin-cha i-cheng TiuN Ju-hongï¼å¼µè£å®ï¼
> > kau-siu ti "Tai-oan Hong"ï¼å°ç£é¢¨ï¼chit-pun chheh so-the-gi e "writing
> > system", goa si kam-kak to long e-tang chhu-li ah, sui-jian kho-leng
ai-koh
> > siu-kai. (TiuN kau-siu au--lai ma u koh ke-siok siu-kai. Ti æ鶴åºççä¸
æ¬è«
> > æé裡 e-tang thak--tioh. TiuN kau-siu e chit-e gi-an, TeN kau-siu
eng-kai
> > long chai-iaN.) Goa m-chai-iaN si an-choaN chin chio lang kong-khi.a̍
> > 3) Goa iau u chit-e siuN-hoat, kho-leng chin-chio u-lang e chan-seng
> > (Ki-sit, chap-kui-ni-cheng, goa bat ka TiuN kau-siu kong-koe chit-e
> > siuN-hoat, m-koh i to bo chan-seng): Chi-chio ti Eng-bun, kang-khoan e
> > "spelling" e-tang u bo-kang-khoan e "pronunciations". Lan kam be-eng-tit
> > iong kang-khoan e "spelling" piau-si bo-kang khiuN-khau e "words"? Chai
goa
> > siuN, na e-sai an-ne cho, bo-tiaN-tioh e-tang kiam-chio ç°è©åå­
(spelling) e
> > cheng-heng.
> > ? Chit-tiam, goa kam-kak Peh-oe-ji kho-leng khah-phaiN cho e-kau.
> > ----
> > Goa siuN beh kong e kan-na chit-tiam: Lan kam be-tang koh kho-lu
u-kho-leng
> > koh-khah sek-tong e "writing system"?
> > Sia-hoe seng-pun? Goa m-chai-iaN. M-koh, na-chun ka chit-tho bo sek-tong
e
> > "writing system" chhui-kong loh-khi kau-iok the-he i-au, na beh koh kai,
> > hit-e seng-pun kho-leng koh-khah koan.
> > ----
> > Kho-leng i-siong e bun-te tak-ke cha to tho-lun kah bo ai tho-lun ah.
> > Na-chun an-ne, si-m-si e-tang ka goa kai-siau kui-phiN-a iu-kkoan e
lun-bun
> > khoaN-mai leh?
> > ----
> > Leng-goa chit-e bun-te:
> > Tai-oan-oe (Hoh-lo-oe) si goa-e bo-gi. M-ko, m-kaN koai pat-lang, goa
it-tit
> > long kong be lian-tng (Kho-leng 6-hoe chin-cheng iau m-bat-"ji" e si si
goa
> > ui-it Tai-oan-oe kong liau khah ho e si-chun). It-tit siuN beh ka
> > oh-tng--lai, it-tit long bo cho--kau.
> > Su-siong kah peng-iu khai-kang, kong-tioh koah-a oe-te to chu-jian kai
iong
> > Tiong-kok-oe kong, sit-chai chin kian-siau.
> > Ti tian-si a-si la-ji-oh thiaN-tioh e Tai-oan-oe, sim-chi ti tai-pou-hun
> > lang sia e Tai-bun lai-te so-khoaN--tioh e (tong-jian ma pau-koa
chit-tiuN
> > poe), bo-lun si "vocabulary" a-si "syntax", goa kam-kak long u ciaN
> > giam-tiong e "Mandarinized" (m-chai e-sai an-ne sia bou) e hian-siong.
> > Goa cai-iaN, gi-gian bo "sun-e" ("pure"). M-ko, u-tang-si-a "ho-un"
(chai
> > hian-chu-si lai khoaN, che sit-chai si ai sng-cho "ho-un") thiaN-tioh
E-kang
> > m-bat-"ji" e a-kong, a-ma teh kong-oe, to kam-kak he kah su-siong ti
> > tian-si, la-ji-oh thiaN-tioh a-si ti Tai-bun bun-chiuN so-thak-tioh e
> > bo-kang.
> > So-i, goa leh siuN, beh chhui-heng bo-gi ma tioh-ai hok-heng bo-gi, ai
> > ho-ho-a hiong lan khah bo siu-tioh Tiong-kok-oe eng-hiong e a-kong, a-ma
oh.
> > (Goa toa Tai-pak, khang-khoe chiaN bo-eng, it-tit siuN beh tng-khi
E-kang,
> > kap m-bat-"ji" e hia-e a-kong, a-ma toa tau-tin, kap in oh gi-gian,
it-tit
> > cho be-kau. KhoaN-tioh Tai-oan-oe tit-titæ®ç ´ loh-khi, sit-chai ut-chut.
> > U-tang-si-a, chiok siuN beh Tai-pak e thau-lo si-si leh, khi E-kang
chng-kha
> > so-chai ku, si-ke chhoe a-kong, a-ma khai-kang, ma bo chit-e chai-tiau.
> > Sit-chai kian-siau!)
> > Goa siuN beh kong e chit-tiam si: Tong-jian ma chan-seng chhui-heng
bo-gi,
> > m-koh lan tioh tong-si koaN-kin hok-heng bo-gi. Chai hian-chu-si e
> > cheng-heng, goa sit-chai m-kaN iong goa chit-khoan Tai-oan-oe khi ka
> > e-chit-te.
> > Chit-e hok-heng e khang-khoe, bo-tiaN-tioh chu-iau ai ui ç°éå·¥ä½ lai
> > cho-khi.
> > Goa hoan-lo e si: su-chu kah kau-chai. ChhiuN goa chit-khoan Tai-oan-oe,
> > a-si pi goa ho bo kau-toe e Tai-oan-oe, na khi "chhui-heng", si m-si
chiaN
> > hai? Kau-boe au-chit-te si-m-si e kong: "Tai-oan-oe kah Tiong-kong-oe
kam u
> > chha-piat? Chi-put-ko hoat-im bo-kang nia? Bo-kang e words chiaN
iu-han?"
> > ----
> > Tong-jian, m-si kong an-ne to mai chhui-heng ah.
> > Goa kan-na beh piau-si: lan kho-leng iau u chiok che ki-chho khang-khoe
> > iau-boe cho ho leh.
> > ----
> > Kui-ni-cheng, goa bat ka TiuN kau-siu e writing systemè®é éï¼ka-ti
su-eng.
> > Chit-kui-ni lai, thau-lo bo-eng, chit-e he-tong kap Peh-oe-ji long chin
han
> > su-iong a. So-i bin-teng e spelling kho-leng chin-che teng-taN e
sou-chai,
> > chhiaN goan-liong.
> > Chak-cho, lou-lat!
> > Djavl Dibburn
>
>